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Hunting did not kill off woolly mammoth

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 11:11 AM

Researchers have found evidence to suggest that climate change, rather than humans, was the main factor that drove the woolly mammoth to extinction.

A DNA analysis shows that the number of creatures began to decrease much earlier than previously thought as the world's climate changed.

It also shows that there was a distinct population of mammoth in Europe that died out around 30,000 years ago.


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Posted 11 September 2013 - 11:53 AM

Interesting.    i always doubted the idea that they were   "hunted to extinction ".

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 12:17 PM

The article states they had a stable population up until the time humans encountered them. If humans came across an ice bridge between Asia and North America as has been postulated, it is also possible that diseases came across as well and in both directions. The ocean is an effective barrier against disease, break that barrier down and you can have plagues on species with no immunity. Both the American Elm and American Chestnut were victims of disease brought from Europe or Asia, while neither is totally extinct, they both came very close. Perhaps it was a combination of events that killed off the mammoths; hunting from humans, introduction of new competitors and/or new diseases, changing climate. We may never know for certain.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:15 PM

I've always been quite certain that populations declined due to climate change - as they had in past interglacials.   But last time, instead of finding a few refugia (like Wrangel Island) where small numbers could survive until the new ice age, they found hairless apes with big pointy sticks .....


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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:44 PM

Maybe we can hope they still survive in some remote area of Siberia

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 09:29 PM

I thought Giant Robots wiped them out, silly me.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:14 AM

I could imagine the combined effect of climate change and humans as impacting mammoths perhaps through massive habitat destruction by human caused fires, disease, and displacing mammoth migratory routes.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:12 AM

I never believed that Mammoths were completely wiped out because of Humans.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 06:01 AM

I never believed human hunting drove them to extinction, some tribes might dare to hunt them but most people would have their heads screaming danger and avoided mammoth altogether

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:11 AM

Dont forget about bacterial and viral contaminants. Single biggest cause for mass deaths of any species following human explorations...

Ooops, already posted above by Sundew...soz....

Edited by mumanster, 12 September 2013 - 08:12 AM.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:16 AM

Human hunting may not have been the ultimate cause of extinction but I believe Pleistocene overkill definitely contributed to them being endangered as it seems the most effective way to hunt mammoths was to wait until the wind was right and set fires behind them to stampede them off cliffs

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:27 PM

The last known refugia of the woolly mammoth was Wrangel Island.

Despite all the climate change in the preceding millenia, they were quite happily chomping away on grasses there, in the Arctic Circle, whilst silly humans were building pyramids in Egypt and stone circles in England.

Around the same time, Siberian hunters reached Wrangel Island for the first time.

And then all the mammoths disappeared.

This means one of 3 things must happened:  either they were killed by orgone energy transmitted by the Giza pyramid death star; they were transported back into the ice age by a time vortex emanating from stonehenge; or they were killed for meat by pesky apes carrying pointy sticks......

There is no evidence that climate change was an issue when the last mammoths died out around 4-5,000 years ago

Edited by Essan, 12 September 2013 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:40 PM

in the  game  musical chairs...   the  last  person standing  is out.  
in  european  politics , the  last  person blaimed  is  responcible .
among  little girls ,  they turn  on the  target untill  death  takes  her.

among eco - crazy's  ....   humans  are  in some  way  ...  the  reason  all  is  wrong .

the  funny  part is...

in musical  chairs...  the  first person  out  gets  to  watch ,   and  enjoy  the  game  the  most .
in european politics ,  the  people  who  are  most  responcible  play  the  players ,  and  are  never  caught .
among  the  little girls , the  targets  become the  stylish, graceful, tasteful, sophisticated, classic, smart, fashionable, ladys
who  stand with  head  rised  above  the  petty  mummbles....   because  they stand alone .
the  eco-crazy  are systematically  burning  down all the forests , distroying  the  industry that  keeps  hords  of  people from  distroying  the  rain forest because  they  have  no  magnet pulling  them away.   putting  in  nature trails  that  pave the  way  for  non native  animals  , make  owning  wild animals  illegal ...  which  ends  the  last  hope  of  the  great  preditory cats  to  exstiction...  

in short , the  eco-freak ...   tree  hugger  , " save  the  world  from human beings " , nut cases ...   do  more  to  make  the  world  a  disney movie ...  where  bambi , thumper  and their forest  friends  play happy and safe  in the  forest ... and  remove  any  hint  of  real life ...  are  systematic in the  distruction  of  nature every where  they go .

global  warming  is  a  crimnal  enterprise ...  any  one  that  supports  it  is  either  a  person  with  the  mind  of  a  2 year  old  or   a money  chasing  crime monster .

the  sooner  we  all  see  this for  what  it  is...   the  better  the  world  will  be

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 09:46 PM

Well not to sound like a tree hugger but we are destroying this planet.Google great pacific garbage heap for evidence of this

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:25 AM

I believe the extinctions of the mammoths were from over kill, humans migrating all over and killing off whole herds never thinking of leaving a few off springs to breed future food.If it were just climate change there would have beem more animals that went extint, a specie goes extint because the off springs don`nt survive.

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