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#46    CyberKen

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 15 September 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

The real cause of GM's trouble was its pensions, for which you can blame the unions and a management that pushed the union into the future rather than take a strike.  The work rules and high salaries also played a role.

One message above mentioned hand presses being less dangerous than mechanized presses.  Well, it all depends.  Have you ever used a hand press?  There are no absolutes, but as a general rule greater productivity enables management to make the workplace safer and more pleasant.

Now GM is Government Motors.

The bond holders got screwed. During the bankruptcy they got 10 cents on the dollar. Remember?

Ford is a better company.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

View Postsupervike, on 15 September 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

The unions did this?

Labor contracts are two way streets.  I believe GM had it's say in those wages as well.  GM also made some horrendous decisions, financially and logistically.

To blame it on the Unions is only telling half of the bigger story.

Unionists do not want to see their employers go bankrupt, that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Unionists just want a fair representation of what they provide for the companies they work for.  I don't see how that is greedy, corrupt, or out of line.

Unions deserve half of the blame.

It was very easy to see the GM Train Wreck coming.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:12 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 15 September 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Belong to one before you talk out of the left side of your mouth, some more.

Millions do and are very happy about it

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:14 AM

View PostCyberKen, on 16 September 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Now GM is Government Motors.

No. It's not/

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 02:15 AM

View PostCyberKen, on 16 September 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Unions deserve half of the blame.

Management deserves the other half. So really you are not saying anything.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:34 PM

View Postninjadude, on 17 September 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

Management deserves the other half. So really you are not saying anything.

Don't pretend that the unions are innocent. They got greedy and ran GM into the bankruptcy court.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:22 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 16 September 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Unions deserve half of the blame.

It was very easy to see the GM Train Wreck coming.

I won't argue that the unions deserve their fair share of the blame as well....but you still aren't seeing that it's a two way street.  It's just as easy to say that GM got greedy and ran themselves into bankruptcy court.

I just wonder why people insist on not seeing the whole picture?

Unions aren't evil.  Corperations aren't evil.  Both entities do alot of good, and if you ask me, both are absolutely needed to make a capitialistic society thrive.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:51 PM

View Postsupervike, on 17 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

I won't argue that the unions deserve their fair share of the blame as well....but you still aren't seeing that it's a two way street.  It's just as easy to say that GM got greedy and ran themselves into bankruptcy court.

I just wonder why people insist on not seeing the whole picture?

Unions aren't evil.  Corperations aren't evil.  Both entities do alot of good, and if you ask me, both are absolutely needed to make a capitialistic society thrive.

Corporations appear to be doing very well in the right to work states.

Take an honest look at the Teachers Union.  Are they doing a good job teaching our children?

You should watch the movie: Waiting For Superman

The unions care about themselves, not the children.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:55 PM

I like unions I just don't like how we force people to be in unions.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 06:01 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 17 September 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

I like unions I just don't like how we force people to be in unions.

The American people can get in their cars/trucks and move to a right to work state.

Freedom is always a step in the right direction.





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