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#1    Godsnmbr1

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

If one day you woke up with another voice in your head, and this voice claimed to be God, what would you ask this voice to do in order to prove such a claim?

Edit: I just saw what my picture quote was still set to, but let me assure you--I donot hear voices.  Just a coincidence.

Edited by Godsnmbr1, 16 September 2013 - 05:41 AM.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:59 AM

Solve RSA2048, for starters.

Plus as many other ridiculous math challenges that I could throw at him - otherwise, how would you know it's not just you going mad?

If he manages to solve all of them - and can then predict 100 coin flips that I ask someone else to make at random - then I'll seriously listen to what he has to say.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:21 AM

Strike me down right this very second and bring me to heaven.  Then maybe I'd believe.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:27 AM

Disintegrate my body and reintegrate it on the other side of the world without destroying my conscious mind.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:35 AM

Where are my keys.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:38 AM

Turn me into God, so I could banish the other voice out of my head. There's only room for one of us and I don't feel like be driven to insanity. :D

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

View PostAtlantisRises, on 16 September 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Where are my keys.

You never took them out of the car.  It's out in the parking lot, with the engine still running.

Edit:  That actually happened to me once.  Completely sober too  =(

Edited by Godsnmbr1, 16 September 2013 - 06:48 AM.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:57 AM

Number 1

Nice to see you. Prove what? So far, you have described something similar to Carl Jung's God.

http://uncertaintist...owledge-of-god/

So, I would  brew up some coffee and settle in for a nice chat. Some of what follows, addressed to Tiggs, ampilifes on the above.


Tiggs

And nice to see you, too. That's just the sort of thing I'd expect Carl Jung's God to do (well, not wholesale, but if P=NP, contrary to expectation, and I had a clue, then I would have a life's work cut out for me, and have solved efficient semi-prime factoring as a side effect). However, there were plenty of people who confidently thought they had proven Fermat's Theorem before anybody did, and that correct proof took a long time to formalize (not just one person's work). It's a hard test to evaluate, and I would have to live with this God while awaiting the results.

But more than that, I would be disappointed if my personal God could not slip any cognitive challenge I might propose. As you may recall, in the original The Day the Earth Stood Still, Mr Carpenter proved his bona fides (as allegorical Jesus, so indeed, as some people's God) by altering one line in the professor's work in progress, pointing to the resolution of a stumper. Note that he didn't wait for the challenge, he anticipated it, and he didn't do requests or encores.

As to the coins, my Jungian God (who, by an amazing coincidence, would appear to be a hamster and say many things I would say) would reply "Then it wouldn't be random, would it?" And, as I mentioned to Number 1, there wouldn't be any call for proof anyway. The conscious experience of Jung's God isn't conducive to being prosecutor, judge and jury in one's own case:

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(God) is an apt name given to all overpowering emotions in my own psychical system subduing my conscious will and usurping control over myself. This is the name by which I designate all things which cross my willful path violently and recklessly, all things which upset my subjective views, plans, and intentions and change the course of my life for better or worse. In accordance with tradition I callthe power of fate in this positive as well as negative aspect, and inasmuch as its origin is beyond my control, 'god', a 'personal god', since my fate means very much myself, particularly when it approaches me in the form of conscience as a vox Dei, with which I can even converse and argue. (We do and, at the same time, we know that we do. One is subject as well as object.)

I think it is material to the question that I have interior mental experience of the candidate, and only that, as opposed to encountering God in other ways. I wouldn't apply tests, because I wouldn't be a reliable evaluator of them, and because it is unclear whether the God would consent to be tested, or that I would care if it didn't.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:25 AM

View PostGodsnmbr1, on 16 September 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

You never took them out of the car.  It's out in the parking lot, with the engine still running.

Edit:  That actually happened to me once.  Completely sober too  =(

Who needs a voice in my head. I bow to you sir.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:06 AM

I just hope he doesn't start telling me to kill people.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:34 AM

i'd ask the voice to disintigrate simon cowell, live on network TV, thereby making me incredibly popular and attractive to women.....

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:48 AM

I'd ask him to build me a Tardis and make me the new Time Lady.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:16 AM

People who hear voices should seek medical help.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:17 AM

View PostGodsnmbr1, on 16 September 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

If one day you woke up with another voice in your head, and this voice claimed to be God, what would you ask this voice to do in order to prove such a claim?

Edit: I just saw what my picture quote was still set to, but let me assure you--I donot hear voices.  Just a coincidence.
There have been many "doctors"  asking this same question to the people who have claimed this has happened to them, they have been doing this study on places called asylums for years.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:51 AM

View PostJeffertonturner, on 16 September 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

People who hear voices should seek medical help.

No, hearing voices would imply that our ears work just fine. It's having imaginary conversations inside one's head that could be a problem...

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