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#1    danielost

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:23 PM

This is a science discussion.  But if I put this in a science thread, people ould cry about it.

The saying goes you cannot make or lose energy.  I am wondering if the samething can be said about knowledge.  I know you can add to your own knowledge.  But, is usually knowledge someone else had.  If knowlege cannot be destroyed or made, could thi explain souls.  We do not have a means to test a persons real knowledge.  The closest is an iq test.  Which measures knowledge on a subject.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:47 PM

Maybe all knowledge already exists and we just sample some of it. Information also cannot be destroyed. As information is basically energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, all the information that creates a universe must already exist for that universe to exist.

Perhaps spiritual information also exists, and this is what we call soul or spirit.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 03:00 PM

If man does not pass on his knowledge then it rests for the next man to find out himself. Fortunately man has be passing on his knowledge through cave drawings, books, word of mouth, education and now the internet. Can not see what this has to do with souls?


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 03:11 PM

A soul could be the aaccumulation of this knowledge.  As you accumulate moore jknowledge you can go from near nothing to being god like.  Whhat god has done is created this life to help to accumulate more knowledge and learn how to use it for good, gods ddefinition if, good. It is like the accuumulation of enrrgy wait long eenough and you get a star.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 03:24 PM

Knowledge dies with the body unfortunately.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 03:48 PM

Knowledge requires a medium.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:25 PM

I don't think 'knowledge' is bound by laws on the conservation of energy. It can grow and spread. The only real limit on knowledge I guess is how much the brain can store.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:44 PM

Knowledge does not die with the body.  It may float around through space, waiting for someone else to find it.  But, it is still there.

Does the brain power knowledge or does knowledge power your brain.  If knowledge powers the brain . Then knowledge is more than this life.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:00 PM

View Postdanielost, on 16 September 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Knowledge does not die with the body. It may float around through space, waiting for someone else to find it.  But, it is still there.


Nope. Knowledge doesn't work that way. It is cumulative i.e. new knowledge is always added to the previously known stuff. Knowledge can be information or a set of skills or maybe even a certain perspective on a subject that further leads to a deeper understanding. Sometimes knowledge can be lost too. If a person carries a secret with him and then dies, or if a civilization gets wiped out, or if the earth gets destroyed, knowledge can be lost. But it definitely doesn't float around in space. Dude! lol.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:17 PM

View Postdanielost, on 16 September 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Knowledge does not die with the body.  It may float around through space, waiting for someone else to find it.  But, it is still there.
What does knowledge look like or made of?

You seem to be confused about just what knowledge is.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:37 PM

View Postdlonewolf85, on 16 September 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:



Nope. Knowledge doesn't work that way. It is cumulative i.e. new knowledge is always added to the previously known stuff. Knowledge can be information or a set of skills or maybe even a certain perspective on a subject that further leads to a deeper understanding. Sometimes knowledge can be lost too. If a person carries a secret with him and then dies, or if a civilization gets wiped out, or if the earth gets destroyed, knowledge can be lost. But it definitely doesn't float around in space. Dude! lol.


I disagree.  Knowledge has to exist in order for someone to discover it. You may learnn new knowledge but it has to be available too be learned.  Which may be why tfhe greeks couldn't build a steam locoomotive.  They had all of the parts to make one they just couldn'tg putf it together.  Knowlledge seems to be "discovered" when we are ready to use it.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 16 September 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

What does knowledge look like or made of?

You seem to be confused about just what knowledge is.

I don't know what it looks like made of or looks like.  What does nrgy look like.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:23 PM

View Postdanielost, on 16 September 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I don't know what it looks like made of or looks like.  What does nrgy look like.
Energy is the system's capacity to do work. Energy is not knowledge.

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I disagree. Knowledge has to exist in order for someone to discover it. You may learnn new knowledge but it has to be available too be learned. Which may be why tfhe greeks couldn't build a steam locoomotive. They had all of the parts to make one they just couldn'tg putf it together. Knowlledge seems to be "discovered" when we are ready to use it.
Disagree all you like, the definition of knowledge doesn't mean what you think it does.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:39 PM

There are two forms for sure combine to make something that is greater than its parts.  Energy, which can become a star.  Life, which can become a human.  Knowledge, which might become a god or god like being.  Life seems to be made up of all three, from the single celled to the mighty red wood tree. All life on earth seems to have enough knowledge to be what it is with a little lift over.

My mommy cat showed her knowledge, two years ago, when I came home from the hospital.   I had asked my roommate if she had a sausage she could fix for me.  She said no.  Mommy kitty went into the kitchen and grabed a hot sausage

She went out of the house and carried t around the house and brought to me.  She know what I wanted and how to get it to me.  She also did not take a bite out of it.  I couldn't eat it but it tells me she has more knowledge than people would give a cat.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:41 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 16 September 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Energy is the system's capacity to do work. Energy is not knowledge.

Disagree all you like, the definition of knowledge doesn't mean what you think it does.

:-) ok you define it for me. I am just asking a question.  Thyat is where knowledge begins right.

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