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#1    davros of skaro

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 03:27 PM

The oral,and written traditions of a global flood from cultures the world over may have been from a Comet in prehistory?This makes sense for tales of civilizations lost to the sea.

Nanodiamonds evidence of impacts.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:34 PM

The problem with the flood myths is that they are all different. Some floods do not involve water. In some floods few die. In others many die. In some everyone dies. It is a collection of all sorts of different things that I do no think should be lumped together.

When you think about how many different types of catastrophes are there going to be? Could have wind, fire, and water. Not sure about earth as a catastrophic means especially for peoples living away from mountains. But wind, fire, and water can be disaster in a person's lifetime.

River valleys have attracted lots of people. There are lots of places where there are many floods - even flooding each year. I think the reason for all of the flood stories is because it is not a rare situation such as a comet impact. I think if there are lots of floods, then there are lots of flood stories. I'd be more impressed with a great fire story in the Sahara where fuel is limited. Even deserts are prone to flash flooding within a human lifetime.


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Posted 17 September 2013 - 06:30 PM

I don't think we need to think there has to be a historic kernel behind every myth.  Floods are so common that it is just a natural that storytellers would invent one.

It's kinda like Troy.  I have serious question the place ever existed, and the fact of settlements in the area is not convincing.  Still, there are people who just will not accept that possibility.  They seem to imagine that a few hundred years is not enough for such invention, even though studies have shown that in fact less than a generation is needed within oral story-telling cultures.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:39 AM

Good points gentlemen.

I wonder if there are any tribal legends connected to the Tunguska event in Russia?

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:24 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 September 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

I don't think we need to think there has to be a historic kernel behind every myth.  Floods are so common that it is just a natural that storytellers would invent one.

It's kinda like Troy.  I have serious question the place ever existed, and the fact of settlements in the area is not convincing.  Still, there are people who just will not accept that possibility.  They seem to imagine that a few hundred years is not enough for such invention, even though studies have shown that in fact less than a generation is needed within oral story-telling cultures.
I don't think the Flood Stories are Myths.  And I do believe there was a place called Atlantis.  For instance, in the Bible, of course you have the Flood and Noah...but the creation story has all dry land together in one place and the fountains of the deep, as it were, were broken up and a tremendous amount of rain occurred...40 days and 40 nights right?
And there are numerous Flood Stories similar that are not in the Bible.

So, it is quite obvious when looking at a Globe, especially with the knowledge that we have of how the Contintents are in fact drifting, that, at one time there was indeed one land mass...and something happened...something that we don't yet understand...something happened, Comet?, Massive Earthquakes?...something happened to cause that huge landmass to break up.  

Also consider that you had a civilization known for building pyramids...Egypt right?  And all the way down in South America another civilization known for building pyramids...the Aztecs, Incas, Mayas right?  So, how is it that these civilizations so far away from each other had the same interest in building pyramids?  The reason is simple...once upon a time, everyone was involved in building Pyramids...in Atlantis...and then something happened...but some of the people retained alot of knowledge of those days and passed it on.

Consider another passage in Genesis....And it hadn't rained in those days, (paraphrasing) and so God cause a mist to come out of the ground to water the garden in Eden.   Really?   Dude...what that means is that there were automatic lawn sprinklers back then.   The Garden of Eden was irrigated...by the Atlantians.   Just making it up as I go along...but there is a lot of truth in the 'myths' regarding floods...once upon a time there was a tremendous occurance that literally broke up the land.  

Just thought of this but why the concrete belief that the world was flat?  Maybe that too originates with  Atlantis and the remembering of nothing but land in one place and nothing else but water.  Of course they had ships back then and no one ever...ever...sailed into another continent the way Columbus or Magellan did.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:26 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 19 September 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Good points gentlemen.

I wonder if there are any tribal legends connected to the Tunguska event in Russia?

Were there tribes in Siberia...and wasn't that like...1908?

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:15 AM

View Postjoc, on 19 September 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

I don't think the Flood Stories are Myths.  And I do believe there was a place called Atlantis.  For instance, in the Bible, of course you have the Flood and Noah...but the creation story has all dry land together in one place and the fountains of the deep, as it ...
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Just thought of this but why the concrete belief that the world was flat?  Maybe that too originates with  Atlantis and the remembering of nothing but land in one place and nothing else but water.  Of course they had ships back then and no one ever...ever...sailed into another continent the way Columbus or Magellan did.

According to the bible there is rain for 40 days and nights, but the flood event lasts another 300 or so days. Other flood myths are different. The flood stories are myths. Even if there were some grain of truth to them they have been so highly embellished that they no longer related to reality. One flood story often mentioned by creationists is a flood of tree sap.

A single land mass was Pangaea and Rhodinia before that. Continents break up just as the rift valley in Africa is opening up due to the convection of the mantle. We certainly do know what broke up these supercontinents. It was plate tectonics. The breakup of Pangaea was an the end of the Triassic the time of the first dinosaurs - and the first mammals. It's almost 200My before the first humans appear.

You should take a look at the pyramids of the Americas and see that they are not true pyramids. There is no connection between the pyramids of Egypt and the pyramids of the Americas. Different people in different places built structures. They taper towards the top. Collectively called pyramids, but they are different and also built at different times.

Why did people once consider the world flat? Why not? It is still used today. Do you think surveyors laying out a building consider the world to be anything other than flat? The reason people realized that the world was not flat was travel. Once  you travel a bit you notice that the stars are not where they were. Get home and the stars are back to their proper place.



PS You might want to rethink the Columbus Magellan comment in light of the Vikings.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:23 AM

i think it's useful to picture the world from the perspective of the people who often originated these myths. they were farmers, living in river valleys and flood plains. farmers didn't move around a lot, and the area they lived in was their world, more or less, even though they were certainly aware of the world beyond. for people living in those circumstances, a large flood was a world shattering event. it destroyed the world as it mattered to them.

you don't need actual world-wide floods to explain flood myths.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:02 AM

View Postjoc, on 19 September 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:



Were there tribes in Siberia...and wasn't that like...1908?

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Were there tribes in Siberia...and wasn't that like...1908?

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Were there tribes in Siberia...and wasn't that like...1908?

Siberia is a very remote place and its very easy for a group of people to never be aware of this "civilization" thing. In fact there are a decent number of villages strewn throughout that we would probably considet "tribal".

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:58 AM

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The problem with the flood myths is that they are all different. Some floods do not involve water. In some floods few die. In others many die. In some everyone dies. It is a collection of all sorts of different things that I do no think should be lumped together.

It's also worth noting that virtually every major city, currently and historically, is on some significant body of water, for a number of practical reasons. Concern with a flood is not and was not a metaphor or a myth for such places, nor should an abiding concern for flooding be too mysterious (to people of rational thinking, which does exclude a number of posters here, to be fair.)

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:58 AM

qoute-The oral,and written traditions of a global flood from cultures the world over may have been from a Comet in prehistory?This makes sense for tales of civilizations lost to the sea.



A comet that affected the whole world could `t have happen, there would be not that much life that would have survived on earth just due to the gases, Nanodiamonds also come from volcanos.



Comet Theory Comes Crashing to Earth.


http://www.psmag.com...to-earth-31180/


No Evidence for Clovis Comet Catastrophe, Archaeologists Say.

http://www.scienceda...00929171815.htm


Absence of evidence for a meteorite impact event 13,000 years ago


http://www.eurekaler...a-aoe120709.php


Comet impact theory disproved


http://www.bristol.a.../2009/6123.html

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:16 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 19 September 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

qoute-The oral,and written traditions of a global flood from cultures the world over may have been from a Comet in prehistory?This makes sense for tales of civilizations lost to the sea.



A comet that affected the whole world could `t have happen, there would be not that much life that would have survived on earth just due to the gases, Nanodiamonds also come from volcanos.



Comet Theory Comes Crashing to Earth.


http://www.psmag.com...to-earth-31180/


No Evidence for Clovis Comet Catastrophe, Archaeologists Say.

http://www.scienceda...00929171815.htm


Absence of evidence for a meteorite impact event 13,000 years ago


http://www.eurekaler...a-aoe120709.php


Comet impact theory disproved


http://www.bristol.a.../2009/6123.html


Thanks  docyabut2 I did not know it has been refuted.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:57 AM

A global flood is geologically impossible. Were it to have happened at any point in the history of mankind, well, most likely mankind would've been wiped out.

But it's true that flood myths are found in many ancient cultures the world over. To be certain some of these must be adaptations of earlier myths, such as how the biblical myth was adapted from the much-older Sumerian myth of Utnapishtim. As jaylemurph pointed out, historically most ancient settlements of any size, by necessity, were located along water routes—by large rivers or large lakes, or the sea. Fluctuations in water levels occur naturally, so who knows how many ancient cities were wiped out by floods? This sort of thing would enter the oral traditions of ancient peoples, to be passed on to other peoples.

Not all ancient civilizations have a flood myth, per se. Ancient Egypt did not. Now, their fear was that the waters of chaos (personified as Nun) would one day inevitably destroy the world, but their own mythic histories did not include a great flood in their past. Some societies have flood myths that seem odd to digest, given their locations within countries. The Lakota of the United States have their own flood myth, but mostly they have not lived as a people near large bodies of water since Europeans moved west into the country. However, linguistic studies have established that the Lakota and their kin (Dakota and Nakota) all originated as a single people deep in the past from the East Coast.

This and other examples have always made me wonder if many such flood myths originated deep in Paleolithic times at the ends of Ice Ages, when coastal waters and attached waterways would've risen dramatically.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:27 AM

Egyptian Leyden Payrus  ( Budge W. E. A., From Fetish to God in Ancient Egypt, p.198.):
”This Earth shall enter into  the watery abyss of Nu by means of a raging flood, and will become even as it was in primeval time… the Nile will rise and cover all Egypt with water, and drown the whole country; then, as in the beginning, there will be nothing to be seen except water. “

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:10 AM

There's this :Meteorite storm 'smashed the Earth 12,000 years ago and killed off a prehistoric people'

Read more:  http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2fWYoknLT
  http://www.dailymail...vilisation.html   This was roughly the time the ancients buried The Gobleki Tepe   >>> Did the ancients have some prior knowledge ???

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Scientists Confirm Gobekli Tepe Was Buried On Purpose in Ancient Times>>>>Located in Southeastern Turkey is one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever made. Gobekli Tepe is the name of the site and it is the oldest place of worship ever found. The site dates back to more than 11,500 years ago and has turned the historical record upside down. Archaeologists never thought our hunter gatherer ancestors were capable of building such a complex monument during this time period and exactly how the building was put up and organized is a question that troubles the historical record. But this is not the only question that troubles archaeologists with the Gobekli Tepe site, there is also the problem of why the site was abandoned and then buried many thousands of years ago.    
http://beforeitsnews...es-2654994.html  Was it to protect the site from invaders... or this Meteorite storm... or the Ice age





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