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#1    catalyst of change

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 06:32 PM

So I've been a spiritual man for a about 6 years or more now and I'm wondering about other beings' perspectives on the light, dark, and path between. I'm at a crossroads again. Occasionally I slip up and try to control or punish people out of a lack of discipline of my emotions using psychic ability or magic. Usually all I do is help, heal, enlighten people, and more. Lately it's gotten really difficult though because it seems humanity is fighting to stay in the darkness of ignorance and hold onto the old system that no longer serves our highest good. I've left many groups and people behind now because they didn't care half as much as I do about these things or changing the world. I figured that if they are meant to or care enough, they will find their own way without my help but I can no longer spend excess psychic energy to keep things running almost on my own. So here I am now on a solo journey. I don't have any to share my experiences with but I am indeed developing. I've done much reading and spiritual practice lately and my perspective has shown me a world of light simply in "shades of grey" one might say. To me, the worst of evils is love taking, power taking, vampirism, ignorance, and so on. Yet I do not find darkness (chaos) evil at all. Nor is the light (order) good in my eyes. They both balance each other out. With only one, man can only advance so far and I feel that the old gods knew more about this. By utilizing both, one can attune to the world inbetween (middle path) and become a true master of themselves and the world. It's all a great balancing act. There are deeper aspects to this but I don't want to rant for too long so please share with me your own thoughts. If you want greater insight on my perspective, read from here. http://www.chaosmatr...ts/kathulu.html

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:22 AM

There so many questions and yet i know how this path will go.

Brian: You say control people with power, how come you never shown people the world, like the amazing randy.
Response: I don't have to prove any one.

Brian: You say control people. You sure it is not emotional or trickery?
Response: No, It is pure power of my mind that I can control people.

Brian: You know we get a lot of claims of people claiming to have these powers but not one have step forward, are you doing this for attention?
Reponse: I am certainly not!

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:36 AM

Well, as much as you hit the nail on the head, still, all conversations die, all members vanish (maybe in a few years) and almost all threads end unless there is some idiot working to keep it alive.

It's kinda sad that people imagine things that aren't there, but obviously it happens.  Admitting that we are isolated from one another with no real way to connect to even our closest friends via anything but language and some more primitive instinctive gestural methods, and fully understanding the meaning, the isolation, that this carries with it, is hard.  I sometimes think God was invented so we could have someone closer than what is possible with words.

We are, as has been said, "ships passing in the night," with little more than signal lights and horns.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 02:12 AM

I'm not here for any sort of business with you Brian. I obviously asked questions of those interested in the topic. I've dealt with critics like you before on this site. It's not worth the time or energy to debate this. To the both of you or rather brian, what was the purpose of your comment(s) but to bring down another being you feel to be inferior, lesser, confused, less intelligent, lost in fantasy, etc? You judge me totally unaware of the reality I or anyone lives in. That is completely ignorant. Live your own life in your own world. That is fine by me. Disagree with me. Again, fine by me. But I will say that asking questions with a closed mind will allow one nothing new.They will resist change in their perspective and remain stagnant for if one's perspective changes, so must their world. Most people fear such a thing.  I don't ask for you to believe me. That's the last thing for it's ignorance and false belief systems that have aided in corrupting society today. If the discussion wasn't directed towards you, then I don't see the need in your participation. It's almost as if you're annoyed by such posts lol. I see why a lot of people left this site now. It's not that they couldn't handle criticism. It's just that closed minds and these negative outputs made self development, faith in oneself and their practices, and progress more difficult. People will see in the coming days though.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 02:15 AM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

I'm not here for any sort of business with you Brian. I obviously asked questions of those interested in the topic. I've dealt with critics like you before on this site. It's not worth the time or energy to debate this. To the both of you or rather brian, what was the purpose of your comment(s) but to bring down another being you feel to be inferior, lesser, confused, less intelligent, lost in fantasy, etc? You judge me totally unaware of the reality I or anyone lives in. That is completely ignorant. Live your own life in your own world. That is fine by me. Disagree with me. Again, fine by me. But I will say that asking questions with a closed mind will allow one nothing new.They will resist change in their perspective and remain stagnant for if one's perspective changes, so must their world. Most people fear such a thing.  I don't ask for you to believe me. That's the last thing for it's ignorance and false belief systems that have aided in corrupting society today. If the discussion wasn't directed towards you, then I don't see the need in your participation. It's almost as if you're annoyed by such posts lol. I see why a lot of people left this site now. It's not that they couldn't handle criticism. It's just that closed minds and these negative outputs made self development, faith in oneself and their practices, and progress more difficult. People will see in the coming days though.

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

I'm not here for any sort of business with you Brian. I obviously asked questions of those interested in the topic. I've dealt with critics like you before on this site. It's not worth the time or energy to debate this. To the both of you or rather brian, what was the purpose of your comment(s) but to bring down another being you feel to be inferior, lesser, confused, less intelligent, lost in fantasy, etc? You judge me totally unaware of the reality I or anyone lives in. That is completely ignorant. Live your own life in your own world. That is fine by me. Disagree with me. Again, fine by me. But I will say that asking questions with a closed mind will allow one nothing new.They will resist change in their perspective and remain stagnant for if one's perspective changes, so must their world. Most people fear such a thing.  I don't ask for you to believe me. That's the last thing for it's ignorance and false belief systems that have aided in corrupting society today. If the discussion wasn't directed towards you, then I don't see the need in your participation. It's almost as if you're annoyed by such posts lol. I see why a lot of people left this site now. It's not that they couldn't handle criticism. It's just that closed minds and these negative outputs made self development, faith in oneself and their practices, and progress more difficult. People will see in the coming days though.

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It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:17 AM

I

View PostBrian Topp, on 20 September 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

There so many questions and yet i know how this path will go.

Brian: You say control people with power, how come you never shown people the world, like the amazing randy.
Response: I don't have to prove any one.

Brian: You say control people. You sure it is not emotional or trickery?
Response: No, It is pure power of my mind that I can control people.

Brian: You know we get a lot of claims of people claiming to have these powers but not one have step forward, are you doing this for attention?
Reponse: I am certainly not!

[Conversation will die, member will vanish and end thread]

View PostBrian Topp, on 20 September 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

called it
Even if you had "called it" it, for one I don't see in what way your predictions came true or why it even matters/has value in a discussion or at all. In addition, that's all you have to say? Your words hold no power in them whatsoever. I'm amazed that's all you have to say in response, but then again, speaking with you would obviously go nowhere.

Edited by catalyst of change, 20 September 2013 - 05:22 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:34 AM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

I

Even if you had "called it" it, for one I don't see in what way your predictions came true or why it even matters/has value in a discussion or at all. In addition, that's all you have to say? Your words hold no power in them whatsoever. I'm amazed that's all you have to say in response, but then again, speaking with you would obviously go nowhere.
I get the feeling you expect others to immediately bow down to your great wisdom.  Maybe that's a little harsh but that is the impression you leave, that and a huge case of feeling sorry for yourself.  Why don't you address the points directly and intelligently rather than just whining?


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:46 AM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

You judge me totally unaware of the reality I or anyone lives in.
I'm aware enough of the reality I exist in to safe wonder what the damp concrete and goat smell is in this thread.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:13 PM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 19 September 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

So I've been a spiritual man for a about 6 years or more now and I'm wondering about other beings' perspectives on the light, dark, and path between. I'm at a crossroads again. Occasionally I slip up and try to control or punish people out of a lack of discipline of my emotions using psychic ability or magic. Usually all I do is help, heal, enlighten people, and more. Lately it's gotten really difficult though because it seems humanity is fighting to stay in the darkness of ignorance and hold onto the old system that no longer serves our highest good. I've left many groups and people behind now because they didn't care half as much as I do about these things or changing the world. I figured that if they are meant to or care enough, they will find their own way without my help but I can no longer spend excess psychic energy to keep things running almost on my own. So here I am now on a solo journey. I don't have any to share my experiences with but I am indeed developing. I've done much reading and spiritual practice lately and my perspective has shown me a world of light simply in "shades of grey" one might say. To me, the worst of evils is love taking, power taking, vampirism, ignorance, and so on. Yet I do not find darkness (chaos) evil at all. Nor is the light (order) good in my eyes. They both balance each other out. With only one, man can only advance so far and I feel that the old gods knew more about this. By utilizing both, one can attune to the world inbetween (middle path) and become a true master of themselves and the world. It's all a great balancing act. There are deeper aspects to this but I don't want to rant for too long so please share with me your own thoughts. If you want greater insight on my perspective, read from here. http://www.chaosmatr...ts/kathulu.html

You say that you are spiritual but your post just appears to talk of magic and control bordering on the occult.  While I do not necessarily agree with your views, I do think you have a right to start a debate on a topic that interests you without feeling that you are being persecuted or ridiculed in some way.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:24 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 September 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

I get the feeling you expect others to immediately bow down to your great wisdom.  Maybe that's a little harsh but that is the impression you leave, that and a huge case of feeling sorry for yourself.  Why don't you address the points directly and intelligently rather than just whining?
Not really and I would if I felt like spending energy on a heated debate. I only wished to discuss my views to broaden them. If you personally have questions, I don't mind but that didn't seem to be the case at all.

View PostAngel1510, on 20 September 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

You say that you are spiritual but your post just appears to talk of magic and control bordering on the occult.  While I do not necessarily agree with your views, I do think you have a right to start a debate on a topic that interests you without feeling that you are being persecuted or ridiculed in some way.
I am spiritual. I've been through many phases including the "lightworker" and such. As I grew and matured, I learned things and no longer agreed with my old ways. Magic and the occult are an extension of the spiritual. The intent behind the working is what matters. Whether you agree with my path in life, does not make it any more wrong or right than it actually is. I am just as much apart of my dark as my light. As far as debating goes, I really wouldn't mind. It's just that every time I get on a topic in the Metaphysics & Psychic Phenomena and Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal forums, there is some kind of repetitive argument going on. It's personally irritating. Many of the older members have left due to this and more. In addition, a harmonic conversation can't even be held anymore and instead they get spammed by those who offer an almost opposite vibration. Then the members either run or simply leave the site so they no longer have to deal.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:48 PM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Not really and I would if I felt like spending energy on a heated debate. I only wished to discuss my views to broaden them. If you personally have questions, I don't mind but that didn't seem to be the case at all.

I am spiritual. I've been through many phases including the "lightworker" and such. As I grew and matured, I learned things and no longer agreed with my old ways. Magic and the occult are an extension of the spiritual. The intent behind the working is what matters. Whether you agree with my path in life, does not make it any more wrong or right than it actually is. I am just as much apart of my dark as my light. As far as debating goes, I really wouldn't mind. It's just that every time I get on a topic in the Metaphysics & Psychic Phenomena and Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal forums, there is some kind of repetitive argument going on. It's personally irritating. Many of the older members have left due to this and more. In addition, a harmonic conversation can't even be held anymore and instead they get spammed by those who offer an almost opposite vibration. Then the members either run or simply leave the site so they no longer have to deal.

You are very experienced in the spiritual path, this is obvious.  So you are also aware of opposition to your views, so you should not be surprised, maybe disappointed, but not surprised.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:52 PM

View Postcatalyst of change, on 20 September 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Not really and I would if I felt like spending energy on a heated debate. I only wished to discuss my views to broaden them. If you personally have questions, I don't mind but that didn't seem to be the case at all.

I am spiritual. I've been through many phases including the "lightworker" and such. As I grew and matured, I learned things and no longer agreed with my old ways. Magic and the occult are an extension of the spiritual. The intent behind the working is what matters. Whether you agree with my path in life, does not make it any more wrong or right than it actually is. I am just as much apart of my dark as my light. As far as debating goes, I really wouldn't mind. It's just that every time I get on a topic in the Metaphysics & Psychic Phenomena and Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal forums, there is some kind of repetitive argument going on. It's personally irritating. Many of the older members have left due to this and more. In addition, a harmonic conversation can't even be held anymore and instead they get spammed by those who offer an almost opposite vibration. Then the members either run or simply leave the site so they no longer have to deal.

I controled you, I made you get so mad  that you went to defend yourself with sheer frustration to prove a point with out backing it up with video or going public with your claims.

How did i do it? I'm a skeptic... So i couldn't go into your mind and make you type those words but i did It by snapping a behaviour, it's knowing about that person more than the person knows himself to set the stage with the props and watch the show unfold.

It isn't magic as you make it sound like, it's psychology and that is one of the truer magics of the world

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People will see in the coming days though.
I highly doubt it, I have seen so many people who come here with claims, heck i list a few.
1. End of the world X5 times
2. That an alien invasion would happen X3 times.
3. That if the government comes out with the information, they will release it publicly X1
4. That they will destroy something with their powers X3
5. That they will show us all by proving something X43 times (hint they never did)

Thats just a few.. i'll add yours to the list.

Edited by Brian Topp, 20 September 2013 - 11:53 PM.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:55 PM

"Headology" makes good magic.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:56 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 20 September 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

"Headology" makes good magic.

I am a big fan of terry pratchett

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:12 AM

Great; I wondered if anyone would pick up the allusion.  I use to devour his novels.  Pity there won't be more.





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