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#1    qxcontinuum

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:36 AM

I am not sure if the following theory has ever been speculated. But I am often thinking about this possibility; what if aliens and their spacecrafts or ufo's, are in fact visitors from the future?
Maybe in the nearest or long term future there will be another race of humans that have advanced to a super civilization with advanced technologies such as time traveling. Regarding the reason they would come here is either to fix gaps in their past, or simple visiting an ancient civilization. Won't we do the same if we could travel, going back in time to see the pyramids or roman empire, or Jesus Christ? Etc...
Maybe they would come from over a million of years after humanity as we know it disappeared and another one has take its place?
The reason they don't want to interact or seen must be one extraordinary. I am sure aliens would have lend already establishing contact . They likely don't want us to be aware by facts in our nearest future as we could change it and break their future...

Edited by qxcontinuum, 20 September 2013 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:01 AM

Time travel is tricky business.

Most theoretical physicists agree that time travel to the past is unlikely.

Einstein's Theory of Relativity states time flows in only one direction: the future.

http://space.about.c...to-the-Past.htm

Here's a really neat and informational article written by Dr. Michio Kaku...

It talks about how a thinker worked out Einstein's 1915 equations in 1949 which allowed for time travel into the past..

http://bigthink.com/...travel-possible

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Einstein himself was aware that his equations allowed for time travel. His next-door neighbor at Princeton, Kurt Gödel, perhaps the most important mathematical logician of the past millennium, found a new solution of Einstein's equations in 1949 which allowed for time travel into the past. He found that if the universe rotated, and you traveled around the universe fast enough, you could go back in time, and arrive before you left.
In fact, since then, a series of solutions of Einstein's equations have been discovered which allow for time travel back into the past. Time travel is allowed for:
a ) traveling around a spinning universe
b } traveling around a spinning cylinder which is infinitely long
c ) traveling around two colliding cosmic strings
d ) traveling through a spinning black hole
e ) stretching or compressing space via negative matter
f ) traveling through a wormhole


The idea of time-traveling aliens is pretty far-fetched..

But, hey, who knows if they have the technology and understanding of physics beyond us?

I won't rule it out.

Edited by Hatake Kakashi, 20 September 2013 - 05:04 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:41 AM

Sorry to disappoint but I have heard that theory quite a few times.  It is, I think, about as likely as aliens from other stellar systems -- in other words, not.

Actually the traditional theory works better, although of course things like misidentification, delusions, fraud, and so on work even better.  Time travel, because of the mess that would make of causation, just doesn't hold water.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:48 AM

one science fiction story I read once suggested that all the stars in the sky are just other Earths toddling along their own timelines.

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I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:04 AM

Does anyone think the Philadelphia experiment really took place? Unified filed theory . http://en.wikipedia....phia_Experiment


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:17 AM

Watching to much "Fringe"...... :whistle:


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:31 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 20 September 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

one science fiction story I read once suggested that all the stars in the sky are just other Earths toddling along their own timelines.

The "Many Worlds Interpretation"..

http://plato.stanfor.../qm-manyworlds/


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The Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) is an approach to quantum mechanics according to which, in addition to the world we are aware of directly, there are many other similar worlds which exist in parallel at the same space and time. The existence of the other worlds makes it possible to remove randomness and action at a distance from quantum theory and thus from all physics.

The fundamental idea of the MWI, going back to Everett 1957, is that there are myriads of worlds in the Universe in addition to the world we are aware of. In particular, every time a quantum experiment with different outcomes with non-zero probability is performed, all outcomes are obtained, each in a different world, even if we are aware only of the world with the outcome we have seen. In fact, quantum experiments take place everywhere and very often, not just in physics laboratories: even the irregular blinking of an old fluorescent bulb is a quantum experiment.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:18 AM

View PostMaars, on 20 September 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

Watching to much "Fringe"...... :whistle:
No such thing.
Even if your dreams feature Walter and the sixth Doctor escaping from Cybermen on the back of Gene the cow.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:02 AM

Cool idea, but who the hell would wan't to travel back in time and perhaps upset what may or may not have made time travel possible.  Stephen Hawking performed a simple experiment.
http://www.huffingto..._n_1643488.html
and if you don't feel like reading there is a short boobtube video about it...

If they are travelers from the future im guessing we will never really know if they have visited or not, i love speculation though, it gives us something to talk about.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:59 PM

The Novikov self-consistency principle states that,

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Stated simply, the Novikov consistency principle asserts that if an event exists that would give rise to a paradox, or to any "change" to the past whatsoever, then the probability of that event is zero. In short, it says that it is impossible to create time paradoxes.
http://en.wikipedia....tency_principle

In other words, the laws of physics are universally consistant, therefore no local inconsistancies are possible, i.e. time travel paradoxes would violate the consistancy of the laws of physics. No local timeline can be different than the universal timeline.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 02:07 PM

I always thought if time travel was possible we'd have been visited by the future by now. Because assuming time is linear, we'd have to be at the very front of it to have not been visited from the future. And the chances of that are tiny.

That makes no sense, but I know what I mean.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:33 PM

View Posttyrant lizard, on 20 September 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

I always thought if time travel was possible we'd have been visited by the future by now. Because assuming time is linear, we'd have to be at the very front of it to have not been visited from the future. And the chances of that are tiny.

That makes no sense, but I know what I mean.

That is exactly my point. What if these UFO's are time traveling devices and we are experiencing your statement now. That will explain why  the passengers/ drivers of these UFO's are not establishing contact, they are observers after all.

In the same time some weird things humanity is experiencing after WW2 . We seem to maintain a very delicate balance /harmony in most of our conflicts. Like look for example we were t the edge of a war with Iran and all the sudden there is a new president that is more open to western countries , the conflict is tempering, in the same time the cold nuclear war between Russia and Us was also closed...ete. etc...
We have had numerous strong killing viruses and pandemics that were tempered down somehow miraculously instead of experiencing a "normal" propagation.

Edited by qxcontinuum, 20 September 2013 - 03:35 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:43 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 20 September 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

That is exactly my point. What if these UFO's are time traveling devices and we are experiencing your statement now. That will explain why  the passengers/ drivers of these UFO's are not establishing contact, they are observers after all.

In the same time some weird things humanity is experiencing after WW2 . We seem to maintain a very delicate balance /harmony in most of our conflicts. Like look for example we were t the edge of a war with Iran and all the sudden there is a new president that is more open to western countries , the conflict is tempering, in the same time the cold nuclear war between Russia and Us was also closed...ete. etc...
We have had numerous strong killing viruses and pandemics that were tempered down somehow miraculously instead of experiencing a "normal" propagation.
That doesn't quite work, because if we were relying on help from the future to get us through plagues and wars we would never had gotten through them the first time around.

I saw a program about swarms the other day that said human beings effectively swarm subconsciously to get us through hard times - kind of like when the traffic lights go out and everyone negotiates the crossing without crashing. That could be a microscopic version of how we avert world ending wars


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:58 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 20 September 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

I am not sure if the following theory has ever been speculated. But I am often thinking about this possibility; what if aliens and their spacecrafts or ufo's, are in fact visitors from the future?
Maybe in the nearest or long term future there will be another race of humans that have advanced to a super civilization with advanced technologies such as time traveling. Regarding the reason they would come here is either to fix gaps in their past, or simple visiting an ancient civilization. Won't we do the same if we could travel, going back in time to see the pyramids or roman empire, or Jesus Christ? Etc...
Maybe they would come from over a million of years after humanity as we know it disappeared and another one has take its place?
The reason they don't want to interact or seen must be one extraordinary. I am sure aliens would have lend already establishing contact . They likely don't want us to be aware by facts in our nearest future as we could change it and break their future...
I don't see how we can be certain that extraterrestrial visitors to Earth would have already made open contact with us. How could we know what effect their psychology, ethics, plans and motives would have on how, when, or if such contact  would occur? For all we know, they could simply be very patient about slowly preparing us for such contact.

Edited by bison, 20 September 2013 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:04 PM

View Postbison, on 20 September 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

I don't see how we can be certain that extraterrestrial visitors to Earth would have already made open contact with us. How could we know what effect their psychology, ethics, plans and motives would have on how, when, or if such contact  would occur? For all we know, they could simply be very patient about slowly preparing us for such contact.

Well if this is what they have in mind, it isn't working or they are stupid ; here is why?
  • The time of delaying contact is far too long. About 70 years already and has opened up serious questions and speculations that are driven everyone from excitement, demonizing more these experiences.
  • They don't have an obvious plan. All the sightings are very random, there's no routes, apparently, they want to show up mostly only to US Citizens instead of everyone else around the globe. It makes no sense.






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