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#1    Drayno

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:46 PM

http://www.chicagotr...,0,352520.story

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Semehca Nunn tried hard to talk about her 3-year-old grandson, one of 13 people shot as neighbors played basketball in Cornell Square Park in the Back of the Yards Thursday night.

"They need to stop, they need to stop," Nunn said, the last word coming out as almost a shriek as she closed her eyes and collapsed crying.
A pick-up game was being played on the park's basketball court in the 1800 block of West 51st Street around 10:15 p.m. when at least one gunman walked up and started firing, apparently with a high-powered gun.

Thirteen people who were on the court or were watching the game were hit, many of them in the arms or legs.


Chicago's obvious gun laws aside, let's not turn this into a political discussion.

This is horrible. :(

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:57 PM

what is there to discuss, gang related shooting\drive by. in a gang infected city.

otoh, it is noting but political, gang violence is ignored by politicians, and focused on guns in hands of those that don't kill ppl in parks.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:14 PM

This is so sad.... :cry:

My little boy will be three in January. Makes me sad, and disgusted with those gang hoodlums. They have no regard for life, not even a child's.... :no:   Very hard for me to understand that type of mentality.


View Postaztek, on 20 September 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

what is there to discuss, gang related shooting\drive by. in a gang infected city.

otoh, it is noting but political, gang violence is ignored by politicians, and focused on guns in hands of those that don't kill ppl in parks.

The justice system is far too lenient on these hoodlums. And no, politicians and MSM won't discuss the problem of gang violence, only the tools they use. And if anyone tries to have a discussion about the problem of gang violence they are called "racist"..... :(


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:28 PM

You guys have it all wrong, it's not Chicago's fault, they have gun restrictions.

This is clearly Indiana or Michigan's fault.... I'm not sure how, but there's a couple posters here who should be filling us in any minute :w00t:


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:36 PM

View PostBurt Gummer, on 20 September 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

The justice system is far too lenient on these hoodlums. And no, politicians and MSM won't discuss the problem of gang violence, only the tools they use. And if anyone tries to have a discussion about the problem of gang violence they are called "racist"..... :(

I agree, but when they do catch them, the justice system bangs the gavel on their heads, and off to prison they go.

EDIT: And to be even more hardened criminals when released.

Edited by pallidin, 20 September 2013 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:41 PM

Erm....I'm going to have to just put this out there.

I don't think it's a gun control, or political issue at all, what is happening in Chicago.

It's a CULTURAL one.

(don't say that too loud, for fear of being branded)


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:47 PM

I don't really think it is a cultural one.  Gangs aren't much different from the outlaw Cowboys in the 1800s, the gangsters of the early 20th century, and the mob.  Violence like this is spread throughout all cultures.

Edited by Agent0range, 20 September 2013 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 20 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't really think it is a cultural one.  Gangs aren't much different from the outlaw Cowboys in the 1800s, the gangsters of the early 20th century, and the mob.  Violence like this is spread throughout all cultures.

The difference is the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle in song, music video and movies.  That kind of lifestyle has become what a lot of young kids are trying to acheive.  What is acceptable needs a revamp IMO.  The way that woman are portrayed by these people along with their attitude towards the law and society in general needs to be nipped in the bud.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

View Postsupervike, on 20 September 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Erm....I'm going to have to just put this out there.

I don't think it's a gun control, or political issue at all, what is happening in Chicago.

It's a CULTURAL one.

(don't say that too loud, for fear of being branded)

Depends on how you define culture. If spaghetti westerns that somehow formed some role models (i.e. Clint Eastwood) are our "culture" then you are right. But that would be really sad.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postglorybebe, on 20 September 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

The difference is the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle in song, music video and movies.  That kind of lifestyle has become what a lot of young kids are trying to acheive.  What is acceptable needs a revamp IMO.  The way that woman are portrayed by these people along with their attitude towards the law and society in general needs to be nipped in the bud.

Heh, might be a bit late for that. By now it's more like cut down a bush full of blooms.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:58 PM

View Postrashore, on 20 September 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:



Heh, might be a bit late for that. By now it's more like cut down a bush full of blooms.
True.  But, until the problem is acknowledged, it win't be dealt with.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 20 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't really think it is a cultural one.  Gangs aren't much different from the outlaw Cowboys in the 1800s, the gangsters of the early 20th century, and the mob.  Violence like this is spread throughout all cultures.

they are very different, any kid knows it. initiation blod in blod out, is just tip of the iceberg. only few gangs "jump " recruts, most have to find a victim anywhere they want, and bring proof. you don't know much about gang culture do you? may be you should not talk about it before you do.

Edited by aztek, 20 September 2013 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:21 PM

View Postaztek, on 20 September 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

they are very different, any kid knows it. initiation blod in blod out, is just tip of the iceberg. only few gangs "jump " recruts, most have to find a victim anywhere they want, and bring proof. you don't know much about gang culture do you? may be you should not talk about it before you do.

First of all...are you danielost?  Second, the day to day activities are not very different.  The common goal is to make money, and violence automatically comes with that.  That has not changed with gangs for hundreds of years.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:46 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 20 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't really think it is a cultural one.  Gangs aren't much different from the outlaw Cowboys in the 1800s, the gangsters of the early 20th century, and the mob.  Violence like this is spread throughout all cultures.

So, how is that NOT a cultural problem?  The differences in your examples, are that those cultures, for the most part, outgrew the violence.  The current culture we are discussing, the violence is growing exponetially.

Because these issues have happened elsewhere in no way excuses the behavior.

This is absolutely a cultural issue.   Go to any major city in this country and you'll find that these are not isolated incidents.  This behavoir is not only reinforced, but encouraged.

But, it is impossible to rationally discuss, because ultimately the big R word will rear it's head.  Nobody wants to be branded as such, so we all remain silent, as our Urban communities descend into anarchy.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:51 PM

View Postsupervike, on 20 September 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

So, how is that NOT a cultural problem?  The differences in your examples, are that those cultures, for the most part, outgrew the violence.  The current culture we are discussing, the violence is growing exponetially.

Because these issues have happened elsewhere in no way excuses the behavior.

This is absolutely a cultural issue.   Go to any major city in this country and you'll find that these are not isolated incidents.  This behavoir is not only reinforced, but encouraged.

But, it is impossible to rationally discuss, because ultimately the big R word will rear it's head.  Nobody wants to be branded as such, so we all remain silent, as our Urban communities descend into anarchy.

It depends what you call culture, as I said before. The goal everybody has is to make a living, and everybody turns to the possibilities he/she has. Well, it is sad but the nearest possibility in some areas are to be a pimp, drug dealer or gang banger. And because they are who get the 'respect' in some hoods that is what the kids look up to.

As I said somewhere before today: Crime is a business, and the best way to kill a business is to not make it pay. And that is what we (seemingly) don't understand.

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