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#1    ambelamba

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:02 PM

Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth.

Except for certain aspect of human origin.

We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

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Natural evolution is all those things and more. To think that humans are somehow outside of that process is to forget how it works in the first place. Look at the way that every species struggles for survival and you will see all the "horrible" things humans do every day that considered evil. If we had to walk out and kill every morning to survive and eat would that make us more horrible or more in tune with nature because that is what apex hunters like lions and killer whales do every day.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:24 PM

Yeah, now "modern" society just "hunts" at Taco Bell, Subway, McDonalds, a favorite restaurant, a grocery store, etc...

Edited by pallidin, 20 September 2013 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:26 PM

All living beings, no matter if plant, protozoa, bacteria or vertebrate are selfish. Most are not vile because they don't understand the concept (which is precondition to being vile). And every species tries to be dominant in its environment. Some are more successful than others though.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:33 PM

View Postambelamba, on 20 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth.

Except for certain aspect of human origin.

We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws.
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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:42 PM

Railing against God once again?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 04:43 PM

Surely selfishness is an intrinsic part of Darwinian evolution, isn't that what it's all about? So it's not a design error by God, it's the natural result of evolution.

Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 20 September 2013 - 04:44 PM.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:03 PM

View Postambelamba, on 20 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws.
Much of our greed and selfishness can be explained as being derived from our need to survive.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:37 PM

I do not think it is just humans.

The whole of evolution can be considered egotistical.. selfish.. survival of the fittest.

Just to explain it with something we ALL are familiar with.

ants

1. they wage war
2. they enslave other ants and will work them to death
3. they farmed long before humans

look them up

evolution is not about survival of the nicest species, it is about survival of the fittest, and there is no guarentee humans will be the winner in all this :P

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:37 PM

Honestly I have no idea where to point the finger.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:41 PM

View Postwillowdreams, on 20 September 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

I do not think it is just humans.

The whole of evolution can be considered egotistical.. selfish.. survival of the fittest.

Just to explain it with something we ALL are familiar with.

ants

1. they wage war
2. they enslave other ants and will work them to death
3. they farmed long before humans

look them up

evolution is not about survival of the nicest species, it is about survival of the fittest, and there is no guarentee humans will be the winner in all this :P
there's one crawling about on the screen now, in fact.

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If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:44 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 20 September 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

there's one crawling about on the screen now, in fact.

:unsure2:

yup.. i managed to capture one ant and enslave it to be my sig...

survival of the fittest darlin.. survival of the fittest!

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

View Postambelamba, on 20 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Surely I believe that evolution explains a lot of things about life on earth.

Except for certain aspect of human origin.

We are too vile, selfish, inconsiderate, greedy, and plain evil to be the results of purely natural evolution. But if there's any design process involved with our orign, he must be one sick jerk because our mind has too many flaws.

This made me a bit sad.  :(  I find the opposite to be true.  We humans have evolved into beings that better themselves all the time.  Without (or in spite of) any deity giving us a helping hand.  People live longer, diseases have been cured and many more will be.  We have more of an awareness of the world around us.  We've made steps (small for now) towards equality for all, trying to feed, educate and fee oppressed people.  (Still a way to go but we are going.)  There is a bigger push towards "love thy neighbor" today than I have ever seen in my life.  

Of course we have the lunatic fundies that seem to get too much press but in my view, for every crazy negative there are tons of positive shouting them down.

Just my thoughts.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 05:55 PM

View Postwillowdreams, on 20 September 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

yup.. i managed to capture one ant and enslave it to be my sig...

survival of the fittest darlin.. survival of the fittest!
Poor guy seems to be ...well.. quite mad..

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:20 PM

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This made me a bit sad.  :(  I find the opposite to be true.  We humans have evolved into beings that better themselves all the time.  Without (or in spite of) any deity giving us a helping hand.  People live longer, diseases have been cured and many more will be.  We have more of an awareness of the world around us.  We've made steps (small for now) towards equality for all, trying to feed, educate and fee oppressed people.  (Still a way to go but we are going.)  There is a bigger push towards "love thy neighbor" today than I have ever seen in my life.  

Of course we have the lunatic fundies that seem to get too much press but in my view, for every crazy negative there are tons of positive shouting them down.

Just my thoughts.

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This is true.... If all animals are naturly selfish and primal, human beings are the only ones to evolve to the point where they can try ( with varying degrees of success) to not be. Will this be our undoing? Time will tell.

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