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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:07 PM

The Guardian said:


Up to 16,000 primary-school pupils in non-denominational sector will get tuition in atheism, while the rest will be offered courses on the internet and on smartphone apps.

In a historic move that will cheer Richard Dawkins, atheists in Ireland have secured the right to teach the republic's primary schoolchildren that God doesn't exist.

The first ever atheist curriculum for thousands of primary-school pupils in Ireland has been drawn up by Atheist Ireland in an education system that the Catholic church hierarchy has traditionally dominated.

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This begs the question: What is there to teach? The whole thing is one sentence. Are they going to loaf around the whole semester repeating the same sentence? Or is atheism now a religion in itself with articles of faith that have to be learned?

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:15 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

This begs the question: What is there to teach? The whole thing is one sentence. Are they going to loaf around the whole semester repeating the same sentence? Or is atheism now a religion in itself with articles of faith that have to be learned?

I'm curious too, questionmark.

I didn't know there were any doctrines of atheism to learn other than "God is dead"..

Would the curriculum expose the hypocrisy of the church?

Or would it center around science?

Edited by Hatake Kakashi, 26 September 2013 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:24 PM

Maybe the history of atheism? Besides that there really isn't much to teach.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:26 PM

I no longer want to be associated with Atheists...I'm officially now just a non-believer.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:31 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

This begs the question: What is there to teach? The whole thing is one sentence. Are they going to loaf around the whole semester repeating the same sentence? Or is atheism now a religion in itself with articles of faith that have to be learned?


I'd rather there were intensive critical thinking courses.  EVERYWHERE.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostMichelle, on 26 September 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

I no longer want to be associated with Atheists...I'm officially now just a non-believer.

Ditto. They're almost worse than the religious when it comes to preaching.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:33 PM

My guess would be they will focus on debunking the Bible and creationism.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:34 PM

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I'd rather there were intensive critical thinking courses.  EVERYWHERE.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:50 PM

IMO All religion should not be taught in any school.  But growing up we cross our hearts and looked to the American flag every morning.  The kids who were taught at home not to participate didn't.  It should come back.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:00 PM

I dont see how this is teaching, unless teaching equates telling someone what to do or how things are. I call it force-feeding 'knowledge'. They should teach philosophy instead, and parallel thinking or symbolism, so they'd see how similiar this is to the way religions put themselves out. I guess the definition of teaching depends on who you ask, but in my mind it's about giving your students something to think about, challenging them, allowing them to understand. And then letting them draw their conclusions.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:28 PM

But but........ 'Atheism, is not a 'belief system'  :whistle:

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:24 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 26 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

This begs the question: What is there to teach? The whole thing is one sentence. Are they going to loaf around the whole semester repeating the same sentence? Or is atheism now a religion in itself with articles of faith that have to be learned?

From the link "We see our course as a chance for young Irish children to get an alternative view on how the world works." As opposed to creationism.

They also say the kids will read Dawkins' The Magic of Reality which is not a book on atheism but on reality.


I think they are just using atheism as a broad term for science and reality.

Edited by Odin11, 26 September 2013 - 06:26 PM.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:35 PM

In atheist states, like Soviet Union, "atheism" was not taught, there was no need, there was simply an abscence of religion in school, which is as it should be, imo.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:53 PM

View PostOdin11, on 26 September 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

From the link "We see our course as a chance for young Irish children to get an alternative view on how the world works." As opposed to creationism.

They also say the kids will read Dawkins' The Magic of Reality which is not a book on atheism but on reality.


I think they are just using atheism as a broad term for science and reality.

Religion, or the lack thereof, does not belong in the same category as science. Religion and science are not incompatible.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:20 PM

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"Richard Dawkins' The Magic of Reality is a key text in the first ever atheist curriculum for Irish schoolchildren."

I'm sure this move will cheer Richard Dawkins enormou$ly.

As with others here, though, I question what is there to teach? I could understand a curriculum of comparative religion, including atheism as an "alternate belief system", but the study of the natural world (if that is what this is) is not "Religious Education".

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