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#121    zoser

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:49 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 04 October 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Maybe they are deliberately ignorant, or they want the fame, or the enjoy attention that the woo woo crowed offers. Only absence of motive that you are willing to consider you mean.

What fame?  Where?  Who would know about Ellis And Lamb unless they had studied the case in depth? Bob White will be more famous than they will ever be.

You come up with the most incredible rubbish.  Arc furnace residue on a desolate highway near the Utah Colorado Border?

Nah.  Try again.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:50 PM

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By the narrow minded.

The case will always be open thanks to Ellis and Lamb.

We owe them a very great deal.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:40 PM

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

By the narrow minded.

The case will always be open thanks to Ellis and Lamb.

We owe them a very great deal.

My last response on this increasingly boring thread... so - people, rich people, are offering BIG MONEY for proof of ET, and he has it apparently, but he hasn't collected the money? Well he cant now he is dead but the new owner can cant he?  But he hasn't tho, nor has ANYONE ELSE EVER delivered proof either...

becuase its just junk and they know it

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:51 PM

View Postseeder, on 04 October 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:


My last response on this increasingly boring thread... so - people, rich people, are offering BIG MONEY for proof of ET, and he has it apparently, but he hasn't collected the money? Well he cant now he is dead but the new owner can cant he?  But he hasn't tho, nor has ANYONE ELSE EVER delivered proof either...



Don't give up.

Try and explain why Ellis and Lamb came up with their research claims.  Try and explain why Bob White came up with his detailed UFO sighting.  Try and explain the recent test results.

Then you have it.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:53 PM

That was his last response, zoser. You win the thread!

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 06:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:


Did Ellis and Lamb make any money out of their ET claims?  I strongly doubt it.  So we have complete absence of motive.

What part of lamb has written a book did you not understand? Labs don't do tests for free either. Somewhere on one of those sites I saw a statement of how much money they'd dropped to date getting that thing tested. One might object that this is coming out of the profits from the other party's own ventures until you see this from the site:

Tests we need sponsored and what they are.
PIXE, XRF, XAF. NAA, ICP-MS, OC/EC,


On every page in fact we see these plastered over and over:

Buy My New Book Here.
SHIPPING INCLUDED
$20.00


We are now booking our lecture series for 2013-2014.
If you are interested in a presentation please
give us a call


Museum of the Unexplained Aerial Anomalies Research Group
Donations to our reseach are always welcome.


Get UFO HARD EVIDENCE by Bob White here at this site.
Only $14.95 plus shipping.


Ellis, BTW, is moderator for the site so he's directly affiliated with their group over and above his capacity as a researcher..

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What fame?  Where?  Who would know about Ellis And Lamb unless they had studied the case in depth? Bob White will be more famous than they will ever be.

But you know about them now because of that, don't you? Their names are now plastered over almost every UFO website and publication dealing with white's case by association. In such circles then they are effectively immortal. Minor demi-gods at the very least. And, they now have a reputation firmly established among the faithful as "sympathetic" researchers with the means and know-how for testing any and all possible objects of alien origin one might happen across.

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You come up with the most incredible rubbish.  Arc furnace residue on a desolate highway near the Utah Colorado Border?

Nah.  Try again.

Which as usual is founded on the assumption that that's really how and where he came by the object, and from there once again your argument describes a neat little circle.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:24 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 04 October 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

What part of lamb has written a book did you not understand? Labs don't do tests for free either. Somewhere on one of those sites I saw a statement of how much money they'd dropped to date getting that thing tested. One might object that this is coming out of the profits from the other party's own ventures until you see this from the site:

Tests we need sponsored and what they are.
PIXE, XRF, XAF. NAA, ICP-MS, OC/EC,


On every page in fact we see these plastered over and over:

Buy My New Book Here.
SHIPPING INCLUDED
$20.00


We are now booking our lecture series for 2013-2014.
If you are interested in a presentation please
give us a call


Museum of the Unexplained Aerial Anomalies Research Group
Donations to our reseach are always welcome.


Get UFO HARD EVIDENCE by Bob White here at this site.
Only $14.95 plus shipping.


Ellis, BTW, is moderator for the site so he's directly affiliated with their group over and above his capacity as a researcher..



But you know about them now because of that, don't you? Their names are now plastered over almost every UFO website and publication dealing with white's case by association. In such circles then they are effectively immortal. Minor demi-gods at the very least. And, they now have a reputation firmly established among the faithful as "sympathetic" researchers with the means and know-how for testing any and all possible objects of alien origin one might happen across.



Which as usual is founded on the assumption that that's really how and where he came by the object, and from there once again your argument describes a neat little circle.

Please provide a link to a book written by Ellis and Lamb on the subject.

Your link is for this book:

http://www.galdepres...ar-as-you-push/

Written by Larry Cekander.

Your argument is weak; Ellis and Lamb are not commonly known names in Ufology.

Please support your claims or withdraw them.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:13 PM

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Please provide a link to a book written by Ellis and Lamb on the subject.

Your link is for this book:

http://www.galdepres...ar-as-you-push/

Written by Larry Cekander.

Your argument is weak; Ellis and Lamb are not commonly known names in Ufology.

Please support your claims or withdraw them.

Alright.  I got him confused with another david lamb, author of a philosophy book on extraterrestrial intelligence.

I stand by all other statements, which can be verified from the ufohardevidence site. This group continues to make money off white's book and the museum and now the new book which presumably incorporates the new data provided by guess who?

The fact that they are known at all is sufficient. One is hard pressed to find thorough current discussion of white's "find" without mention of subsequent tests, and thus the testers.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 04 October 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Alright.  I got him confused with another david lamb, author of a philosophy book on extraterrestrial intelligence.

I stand by all other statements, which can be verified from the ufohardevidence site. This group continues to make money off white's book and the museum and now the new book which presumably incorporates the new data provided by guess who?

The fact that they are known at all is sufficient. One is hard pressed to find thorough current discussion of white's "find" without mention of subsequent tests, and thus the testers.

No worries OM.  Thanks for the admission.

I think science has got a lot to answer for in this case.  Either White and Ellis are correct, or the other labs are.

One is forced to ask why there is so much intense contradiction and ambiguity in these UFO cases.

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 12:29 AM

There are more credible witnesses out there then most would like to believe--who've come forward without caring what anyone thinks, and in doing so, have put their reputation on the line--all because of wanting to share a bit of truth that's been suppressed on high...

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:24 AM

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

What fame?  Where?  Who would know about Ellis And Lamb unless they had studied the case in depth? Bob White will be more famous than they will ever be.

The fame the woo woo crowd so desperately need - personal validation. Bob's dead now, it's only Ellis and Lamb now. Did you even know Bob was dead? I doubt it.

Read the post. I answered that already - attention that the woo woo crowed offers.

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

You come up with the most incredible rubbish.  Arc furnace residue on a desolate highway near the Utah Colorado Border?

Well you know what they say about rubbish, and you have stated that to you, official knowledge is rubbish, and you think your imagination is more important.

So what you consider as rubbish, pretty much the rest of the species finds valuable. so this inane evaluation is indeed expected, but only illustrates that the initial subject is beyond you.

View Postzoser, on 04 October 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Nah.  Try again.


No, it is a perfectly good explanation that you have failed to refute in any way whatsoever, you have had your usual little dance but again, it lacks substance of any worth.

You think it is impossible that scrap could fall of the back of a truck, and it is much more likely that a lump of aluminium, that just happens to be identical in shape to a foundry stalactite, with no function whatsoever, is more likely to have snapped of a visiting UFO? And why? Because the bloke who wrote a book about it says so?

I see you not only avoided, but were obviously unable to answer why this lump of metal looks identical to foundry waste?

You know what, it is even rude to suggest I might be stupid enough to swallow that pile of garbage. Try again.

It's an unceremonious lump of Aluminium alloy, insisting it is more I feel only makes you look even more dishonest.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:31 AM

HEy "Z" man Give us your Address I`ll send you a peice of that material!

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 07:52 PM

im larry cekander and i have the artifact.. i was bob partner till he passed in 09. testing is ongoing at 2 labs right now..
pone la is selee one of the best in world..
they can not explain the elemental content of the object nor the way it was formed..
you cant compare iron or steel to aluminum.. any grade school shop class student knows this..
you can not cast the object recovered by bob.. to intricate and the layered formation would be impossible to make in an oxygen
rich invornment.. do some research before you try to debunk.
david lamb and chris ellis are specialists in their fields.. they some credentials associated with what they said..
wanna be arm chair dip wads trying to impress someone with their lack of knowledge is laghable.. and then post some skeptic ragazine garbage
who did NO HANDS ON RESEARCH AT ALL PATHETIC.. if you read my responses to mr ian dont know squat about aluminum harrison their expert you would see i shut his mouth in 3 posts. WE HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THIS ARTIFACT IS ALIEN.. NEVER.. it was recovered from a ufo encounter which means it cant be IDENTIFIED from what it came from.. NO ONE CAN SHOW ME AN ALUMINUM OBJECT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE BOB WHITE OBJECT.. no one can tell me how to make one and that means its dam unusual. when los alamos call it and unknown object 19 times in there report THAT MEANS THEN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IT IS. AN NO IT AINT GRINDING WHEEL RESIDUE..lol  is it ours or someone elses.. thats the question.... when you show me one being made you have an argument.. till then dont show just how ignorant you are by trying to claim iron as the same as aluminum.. god i hate stupid they just fall out of the sky on the inter web

Edited by larryroyc, 14 June 2015 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:15 AM

View Postlarryroyc, on 14 June 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

im larry cekander and i have the artifact.. i was bob partner till he passed in 09. testing is ongoing at 2 labs right now..
pone la is selee one of the best in world..
they can not explain the elemental content of the object nor the way it was formed..
you cant compare iron or steel to aluminum.. any grade school shop class student knows this..
you can not cast the object recovered by bob.. to intricate and the layered formation would be impossible to make in an oxygen
rich invornment.. do some research before you try to debunk.
david lamb and chris ellis are specialists in their fields.. they some credentials associated with what they said..
wanna be arm chair dip wads trying to impress someone with their lack of knowledge is laghable.. and then post some skeptic ragazine garbage
who did NO HANDS ON RESEARCH AT ALL PATHETIC.. if you read my responses to mr ian dont know squat about aluminum harrison their expert you would see i shut his mouth in 3 posts. WE HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THIS ARTIFACT IS ALIEN.. NEVER.. it was recovered from a ufo encounter which means it cant be IDENTIFIED from what it came from.. NO ONE CAN SHOW ME AN ALUMINUM OBJECT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE BOB WHITE OBJECT.. no one can tell me how to make one and that means its dam unusual. when los alamos call it and unknown object 19 times in there report THAT MEANS THEN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IT IS. AN NO IT AINT GRINDING WHEEL RESIDUE..lol  is it ours or someone elses.. thats the question.... when you show me one being made you have an argument.. till then dont show just how ignorant you are by trying to claim iron as the same as aluminum.. god i hate stupid they just fall out of the sky on the inter web

So you claim to be the genuine owner of the Museum of the Unexplained Aerial Anomalies Research Group huh??
You know, I really thought a research group would be more level headed and capable of a structured argument, you seem to prefer the MWS method of debate?

See. this is the sort of insanity that errodes away all credibility from UFOlogy. And why UFOlogists have to survive on the credibility of real men like the scientists who make the discoveries that move us forward. Yes it is a more than obvious that this is a foundry waste

Bob Whites Waste:

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Other sample:

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Now as amazing as it may seem, many people are not going to see your rant as convincing to the contrary. The skeptical magazine you deride did not do the hands on research, it fell into their laps when a professional in the field demystified the nonsense and passed the information on. Why you think that detracts from the credibility of the evaluation truly escapes me. It's a damn far better explanation than the UFO mystery story which sounds like it would be better situated in a Scooby Doo cartoon.

Do not care if you want to play on semantics. He said it came from a UFO and the ETH nutjobs climbed all over it until it was exposed. I do not see anyone setting those people straight at any point in history, so don't pee in my pocket mate. If you really state such ambiguity, do you want to explain this?????

The Bob White Artifact is the ROSETTA STONE of UFO physical evidence.
LARRY CEKANDER

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Rosetta Stone of UFO evidence huh? Don't think so.

Bob White Alien Artifact

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Alien huh?

What did Bob himself say?

"What I saw," White said, "was not of this Earth."

See above link.

And what's with the nonsense about the Martian Isotopes????? What's that significant to??? Foundry workers on Mars??

UFO Physical evidence that UFOlogists tried to consider as proof of extraterrestrial visitation, when they realised the worthless of the object, they left you standing alone.

It just does not impress anyone and the louder you scream the less you are heard. You have much invested in this tall tale, so it is easy to see where your conviction comes from, but your approach and insistence does your case no good. It is not alien, we apparently agree on that despite your using UFO websites to the contrary without objection, how about showing us something impressive about the object, because it's pretty bloody ordinary to the rest of the world. Another fact you seem to refuse to accept.

What did NIDS say??


Summary and Conclusions
Results from the analysis of sample #2 are quite conclusive. The specimen is an aluminum-silicon alloy, with a substantial amount of variety of impurities, including iron, calcium, sulfur, chlorine, sodium, magnesium and others. The composition is one that could be used as an aluminum casting alloy. The closest commercial material has the trade name "360 alloy" [Lyman, 1961]. This is a die casting alloy used in applications where excellent castability and resistance to corrosion are required. It is used for miscellaneous thin-walled and intricate castings. Since this type of alloy is very close to the eutectic (lowest melting) composition, it has excellent fluidity at relatively low temperatures.
The microstructure of the sample is one to be expected from the composition: second phase eutectic silicon particles in a matrix of aluminum solid solution. However, due to a few undesirable structural characteristics, it would be regarded as a poorly cast aluminum alloy when compared with published micrographs of commercial materials [Lyman, 1972]. The large amount of porosity would certainly lead to a decreased strength and decreased corrosion resistance. The presence of porosity together with the apparent flow lines suggests that uncontrolled cooling took place. The significant amount of impurities like sodium accounts for the fineness and rounded nature of the silicon particles, rather than the larger, longer, more angular particules usually observed. Dislocations (planes of slip caused by plastic deformation) appear to be decorated by silicon particles. In many cases, these dislocations follow the flow lines. This suggests some forced flow during solidification of the melt (in the range of temperatures 600 degrees C to 575 degrees C).
There are no anomalies in the results of this analysis. The detected phases are accounted for, and the microstructure lends itself to standard metallurgical interpretation. The physical properties that were measured (density, hardness, and electrical resistivity) all fall within the expected range.


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And what does that say in layman's terms??

Grinding wheel residue

Not like the opportunity to prove something extraordinary has not been there for decades, it's just not very impressive is all. No matter how much you want people to be impressed by it, it is what it is, and it is foundry waste.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:27 AM

View Postlarryroyc, on 14 June 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

im larry cekander and i have the artifact.. i was bob partner till he passed in 09. testing is ongoing at 2 labs right now..
pone la is selee one of the best in world..
they can not explain the elemental content of the object nor the way it was formed..
you cant compare iron or steel to aluminum.. any grade school shop class student knows this..
you can not cast the object recovered by bob.. to intricate and the layered formation would be impossible to make in an oxygen
rich invornment.. do some research before you try to debunk.
david lamb and chris ellis are specialists in their fields.. they some credentials associated with what they said..
wanna be arm chair dip wads trying to impress someone with their lack of knowledge is laghable.. and then post some skeptic ragazine garbage
who did NO HANDS ON RESEARCH AT ALL PATHETIC.. if you read my responses to mr ian dont know squat about aluminum harrison their expert you would see i shut his mouth in 3 posts. WE HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THIS ARTIFACT IS ALIEN.. NEVER.. it was recovered from a ufo encounter which means it cant be IDENTIFIED from what it came from.. NO ONE CAN SHOW ME AN ALUMINUM OBJECT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE BOB WHITE OBJECT.. no one can tell me how to make one and that means its dam unusual. when los alamos call it and unknown object 19 times in there report THAT MEANS THEN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IT IS. AN NO IT AINT GRINDING WHEEL RESIDUE..lol  is it ours or someone elses.. thats the question.... when you show me one being made you have an argument.. till then dont show just how ignorant you are by trying to claim iron as the same as aluminum.. god i hate stupid they just fall out of the sky on the inter web

By all means of respect, but oh b******s,

Since you are allegedly having samples analyzed at two accredited labs, please provide the names of the two labs and the mass spectroscopy results since you obviously have the results given your statements. Of course, that is what you are basing your conclusions on, correct? If not, please do let us know which analysis tool was used and provide the model and derived data so we can ascertain the validity of the data.  

But you can't, can you? Because you don't have the data as the analysis was never performed (for obvious reasons). Not that such an analysis is expensive, I have already provided budgetary pricing for such here.

Good grief.

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