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#16    Rafterman

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 September 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:



What 'real evidence'?

You haven't presented any.  Just posting a photo of residue from an arc furnace in no way debunks Bob White's claim.

The high power voltage required to to create the molten artifact is most probably a feature of the craft's propulsion system.  What else could it be?  

That's why I say listen to the scientists who originally examined the artifact. There is no conspiracy or hoaxing here that I can see.  If  you find one please let me know.

When scientists find things, they publish their findings and post them in peer-reviewed journals.  That's what scientists do and that's how they receive recognition, promotions, funding, and things like the Noble Prize.  They don't simply talk about monumental discoveries on 10-year-old History Channel television shows.

Perhaps you saw the news this week of the paper published in Science about the water discoveries on Mars by the Curiosity rover team.  If you recall, the announcement of the discovery took place about a year ago, but the paper was just published following submittal and peer review.  

If finding something as mundane as water on another planet produces such excitement among the scientific community, why has this evidence of advanced alien life been ignored?  Why haven't Bob White's scientists submitted their findings for peer-review and published their work.  I would argue that even rudimentary findings on such an artifact would bring about millions in funding to do further studies.  You do realize that such funding is the life blood for science.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 01:11 PM

What I find mind boggling is that some people can believe that this 'alien artifact' could come from an advanced alien civilization yet somehow looks exactly like what would come from an industrial grinder....even made of the same material! Just how far can you stretch a coincidence before it snaps and puts someone's eye out?

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:12 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 September 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

The BS if there is any lies in the theory that Bob White picked up a common artifact and tried to sell it as ET.  The evidence says that never happened.  Of course of you ignore the evidence then any fantasy is possible.

People have successfully sold toast,  potato chips and fairly ordinary paintings for huge sums on Ebay solely on the basis of unusual claims and attributes. Novelty is all in the presentation. Plenty of commerce in fact is based on taking something mundane from one place and packaging it as something special somewhere else.

They can't fool me though. Clearly that's a baby one of these:

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 02:35 PM

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When scientists find things, they publish their findings and post them in peer-reviewed journals.  That's what scientists do and that's how they receive recognition, promotions, funding, and things like the Noble Prize.  They don't simply talk about monumental discoveries on 10-year-old History Channel television


Ever heard of scientific bias because of vested interests?

The research centres that first examined the Bob White artifact refused to talk in public.  Why do you suppose that was?

Look into the blood rain case in Sri Lanka on The Unexplained Files thread for yet another example.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 03:36 PM

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Ever heard of scientific bias because of vested interests?

The research centres that first examined the Bob White artifact refused to talk in public.  Why do you suppose that was?

Look into the blood rain case in Sri Lanka on The Unexplained Files thread for yet another example.

What vested interest?  The vested interest that is currently spending billions around the world to discover life on other planets?  Your point might have some credence if research into alien life wasn't ongoing and fully supported by governments, corporations, and private foundations.

As to the red rain, it has been going on for centuries and there are several legitimate theories as to what causes it.  In other words, it was a credible mystery that scientists studied.  Not the case with this artifact because it is clearly evident what it is from simply looking at it.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:39 PM

View PostRafterman, on 29 September 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

What vested interest?  The vested interest that is currently spending billions around the world to discover life on other planets?  Your point might have some credence if research into alien life wasn't ongoing and fully supported by governments, corporations, and private foundations.

As to the red rain, it has been going on for centuries and there are several legitimate theories as to what causes it.  In other words, it was a credible mystery that scientists studied.  Not the case with this artifact because it is clearly evident what it is from simply looking at it.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:40 PM

View PostRafterman, on 29 September 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

What vested interest?  The vested interest that is currently spending billions around the world to discover life on other planets?  Your point might have some credence if research into alien life wasn't ongoing and fully supported by governments, corporations, and private foundations.

As to the red rain, it has been going on for centuries and there are several legitimate theories as to what causes it.  In other words, it was a credible mystery that scientists studied.  Not the case with this artifact because it is clearly evident what it is from simply looking at it.

The vested interest is this:

Any western scientist that works for a large corporation or university and goes out on a limb with an ET hypothesis will end up stigmatised with all the associated consequences.

In some parts of the world they operate a more liberal and open culture.  This explains precisely why the scientists in Sri Lanka proposed an ET solution to the red rain phenomena and NASA rejected a request to participate.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:29 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 September 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

The vested interest is this:

Any western scientist that works for a large corporation or university and goes out on a limb with an ET hypothesis will end up stigmatised with all the associated consequences.

In some parts of the world they operate a more liberal and open culture.  This explains precisely why the scientists in Sri Lanka proposed an ET solution to the red rain phenomena and NASA rejected a request to participate.

It's right there.

Er...no, that's your explanation. I think NASAs explanation why they didn't bother with it might be a bit more mundane.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 September 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ever heard of scientific bias because of vested interests?

The research centres that first examined the Bob White artifact refused to talk in public.  Why do you suppose that was?

Look into the blood rain case in Sri Lanka on The Unexplained Files thread for yet another example.


Yes. your post no.8  :-   "David Lamb is a research scientist specialising in physics and material scientist. He confirms that the object has unique crystal and material compositions different to normally found say in aircraft alloys or elsewhere".

On many occasions on many subjects you have accused scientists & the scientific community of having 'vested interests' & telling untruths to cover up the existance of alien technology & yet you are quite happy to quote other scientist (though I doubt their piers would recognize them as such) when it suits to bolster your claims. You can't have it both ways.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:50 PM

Zoser have good points, most of you are avoiding to to except or respond to.
As first if some object resembles a pile of ****, that doesn't mean the object is pile of **** " that is not evidence".

View PostRafterman, on 29 September 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

They don't simply talk about monumental discoveries on 10-year-old History Channel television shows.

The fact is they did talk to a "10-year-old History Channel television show" and that doesn't make it not true.
Ant its not there discovery, so they can't take the credit an publish it in a scientific journal, they merely did the test to see what kind of alloy is.

I need more then a photo of a object, if you compare the metallic properties of the two object and they turn to be the same then i will say yes this is the explanation, this is what the object can be. until then you didn't disprove a s***.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:07 PM

View Postdiablo_04, on 29 September 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Zoser have good points, most of you are avoiding to to except or respond to.
As first if some object resembles a pile of ****, that doesn't mean the object is pile of **** " that is not evidence".


The fact is they did talk to a "10-year-old History Channel television show" and that doesn't make it not true.
Ant its not there discovery, so they can't take the credit an publish it in a scientific journal, they merely did the test to see what kind of alloy is.

I need more then a photo of a object, if you compare the metallic properties of the two object and they turn to be the same then i will say yes this is the explanation, this is what the object can be. until then you didn't disprove a s***.

So, your presuming, that in some history channels/ufo hunters vids, that they have reliable experts telling the truth do you?  Its not a science program, its a sci fi program. Do you understand the 'fiction' part of science-fiction??  Before we go further, name me their experts who did analysis, along with their credentials. be prepared for an ass kicking if you mess that request up.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:31 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 29 September 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Er...no, that's your explanation. I think NASAs explanation why they didn't bother with it might be a bit more mundane.

Really?  Are you saying that ET life is too mundane for them?  Never before acknowledged by science yet too mundane?

Or are you saying that compared to NASA's ET knowledge the existence of alien cellular life forms are too mundane?

Either way this is highly intriguing.  Please say more.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:38 PM

View Postseeder, on 29 September 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

So, your presuming, that in some history channels/ufo hunters vids, that they have reliable experts telling the truth do you?  Its not a science program, its a sci fi program. Do you understand the 'fiction' part of science-fiction??  Before we go further, name me their experts who did analysis, along with their credentials. be prepared for an ass kicking if you mess that request up.

By all means check out the credentials of the scientists that analysed it.  I doubt very much that they were fraudsters.  

Your attitude is yet more bland dismissal that we hear from the skeptics all the time.

"It's this show..........."
"It's that show........."
"It's this idiot......"

It's all judgement based on dislike of certain personalities or tv shows.

For God's sake stop the "yes but" nonsense and listen for a change.  Not to me, but to the people who are doing the analysis. You are judging purely in the basis that you do not like the news.

That is not scientific.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:46 PM

It just show`s to Go you that one persons Truth ,is another`s Tin Foil Hat ! THere seems to be a quite a few Tin Foil Hats in here.
Any bets on the "Z-man" trying to convince most of us were the ones Wrong?

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:46 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 September 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

By all means check out the credentials of the scientists that analysed it.  I doubt very much that they were fraudsters.  

Your attitude is yet more bland dismissal that we hear from the skeptics all the time.

"It's this show..........."
"It's that show........."
"It's this idiot......"

It's all judgement based on dislike of certain personalities or tv shows.

For God's sake stop the "yes but" nonsense and listen for a change.  Not to me, but to the people who are doing the analysis. You are judging purely in the basis that you do not like the news.

That is not scientific.
name the experts or shut the F up...

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