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#16    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:43 PM

Is there any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong bones and teeth? :blink:

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:47 PM

I am not in favor of fluoridation for a number of reasons. First, the type of fluoride used in water is not sodium fluoride (the fluoride that actually shows a slight improvement in children's teeth) but actually a toxic version of fluoride that would be costly to dispose of without dumping it into the drinking water. Also, comparison between fluoridedated arees and non-fluoridated areas show increased levels of everything from cancer to dementia. http://3.bp.blogspot...s1600/Fig 1.JPG One example (my comp seems to be faulty atm)http://ffwireland.bl...igation-of.html

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:49 PM

Total and absolute hogwash.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 09:49 PM

Hi Professor Buzzkill,

Why is North Ireland is non-fluoridated in the first place? If is it good for theeths and bones?

if is it good why country like Austria never has never implemented fluoridation?
http://waterfluorida...tifluoride.html

Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 29 September 2013 - 10:03 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 29 September 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I am not in favor of fluoridation for a number of reasons. First, the type of fluoride used in water is not sodium fluoride (the fluoride that actually shows a slight improvement in children's teeth) but actually a toxic version of fluoride that would be costly to dispose of without dumping it into the drinking water.
You realise sodium fluoride is also toxic?

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

Yes. But it is the least toxic version of fluoride and is not a byproduct of industry, as the fluoride used in water supplies is


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 29 September 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

Hi Professor Buzzkill,

Why is North Ireland is non-fluoridated in the first place? If is it good for theeths and bones?

if is it good why country like Austria never has never implemented fluoridation?
http://waterfluorida...tifluoride.html

Did you even read that site you posted?

I bet not, considering you used it to support your anti-fluoridation agenda.

Ironic....

Edited by RaptorBites, 29 September 2013 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

Netherlands[edit source]
Water was fluoridated in large parts of the Netherlands from 1960 to 1973, when the High Council of The Netherlands declared fluoridation of drinking water unauthorized.[59] Dutch authorities had no legal basis adding chemicals to drinking water if they will not improve the safety as such.[4] Drinking water has not been fluoridated in any part of the Netherlands since 1973.


Sweden[edit source]
In 1952, Norrköping in Sweden became one of the first cities in Europe to fluoridate its water supply.[62] It was declared illegal by the Supreme Administrative Court of Sweden in 1961, re-legalized in 1962[63] and finally prohibited by the parliament in 1971,[64] after considerable debate.



Finland[edit source]
The Finnish government supports fluoridation, although only one community of 70 000 people was fluoridated, Kuopio.[26] Kuopio stopped fluoridation in 1992.[42]



http://en.wikipedia....tion_by_country

Why if is healthy?

Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 29 September 2013 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 29 September 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Thanks! One part of mystery solved. What do you think about Americans being told that the water they drink flouride creates strong teeth and bones. If this is true why the U.S. has so many osteoporosis? Ans why dont they put others nutritions in water?
To my understanding fluoride in municipal water was promoted to help with cavities or dental health, and not general bone health. The U.S. has high osteoporosis because there are a lot of factors that impact bone density. Things that can't be helped like age, family history, and later life hormonal changes. And things that can be helped like not consuming enough vitamin D, calcium, fruits and veggies as well as consuming too much of things like sodium, caffeine, protein, and alcohol. An inactive lifestyle can also help contribute to the loss of bone density. The U.S. in a lot of ways has a lot of rather unhealthy eating and exercise habits. There are also medications that can affect bone density and several medical conditions that have serious impact on bone density as well. We have had a general increase in some of these diseases like diabetes, immune disorders, digestive disorders and others, and that plays a factor in the general numbers of osteoporosis rising.
This site has a lot of great information on osteoporosis: http://nof.org/
Why they don't put other stuff in water has a lot of factors like stability of the product or the impacts of too much of a something being consumed or so little there isn't any point in the addition, cost of the addition and testing to ensure the levels are what they are supposed to be.. and if nothing else, the debate about fluoride.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:33 PM

Rashore,
Are you aware of any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong teeths?

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:39 PM

Scientific studies show fluoridation's claimed benefits are in dispute

http://www.fluoridat...com/caries1.htm

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:41 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 29 September 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

Are you aware of any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong teeths?
there is one study that has been used that showed the fluoridated group to have many fewer fillings than the unfluoridated group.

....what they didn't tell you was that the fluoridated group had many more extractions than the unfluoridated. easy to lie with "science".


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:41 PM

I think fluoride in our water is not good for us but I don't think its a government conspiracy.

I think the government just did a study back in the day that turned out positive so everyone rushed to make it a law and now studies show the opposite and once the government does something its hard to reverse that **** :tu:

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:44 PM

My mother was a dental nurse when they implimented fluoridation in the water here in Oz.
She says there was a noticeable change in the way people presented with rotten teeth (ie while htey still had rotten teeth, they were less rotten).

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:45 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 29 September 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

there is one study that has been used that showed the fluoridated group to have many fewer fillings than the unfluoridated group.

....what they didn't tell you was that the fluoridated group had many more extractions than the unfluoridated. easy to lie with "science".

Like this conclusion from study I posted above:
Conclusion: From the above considerations it seems clear that the Hastings fluoridation study did not, as it was purported to do, demonstrate the effectiveness of water fluoridation in reducing dental decay in a typical New Zealand population. The reported reductions were at least partly, if not wholly, the result of factors other than fluoridation. Today proponents of fluoridation will concede that there were other factors operating to cause the reductions, over and above any fluoridation effect. But that fact, although known to those responsible for the study, was never reported in official and scientific published reports on it. The study was, it seems, more a public relations exercise than a scientific one. Nonetheless, it is still cited in scientific literature and textbooks as being the latter. Deserving of consideration is the extent to which the same situation might apply to the man "no control" fluoridation studies in other countries. The authors suggest further re-examinations like those of Diesendorf.

Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 29 September 2013 - 10:48 PM.

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