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How can we 'solve' climate change ?


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:07 PM

The UN climate change panel has been considering some unorthodox ways to tackle global warming.

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With the IPCC climate change report indicating a 95% likelihood that human activities are the dominant cause of global warming, scientists have been attempting to find ways to counteract the effects and to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:47 PM

I believe that global warming is happening no matter what. Yes we are speeding up the process but no matter what it will happen, its just an earth natural cycle.

Preventing the natural cycle is not a good idea, its like you are postponing to pee, sooner or later you will pee your pants!

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 02:36 PM

I think those are more short-sighted than outlandish ideas. The iron sprinkling on ocean floors for example, you do that for a while and then stop it, and there wont be too many planktons because they're used to eat the iron in the form you give it, not as a part of something which comes from their nearby living area naturally.

I'll say it here too: if they really wanted, they could push permaculture farming to people, but you dont see them doing that do you? Instead they rely on chemical solutions and technology because they bring more jobs & money. It's about money huh?


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:39 PM

View Postdiablo_04, on 30 September 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I believe that global warming is happening no matter what. Yes we are speeding up the process but no matter what it will happen, its just an earth natural cycle.

Preventing the natural cycle is not a good idea, its like you are postponing to pee, sooner or later you will pee your pants!
It's not about stopping natural cycles.  The ones I know about, you couldn't stop, anyway.  Ever try to stop an earthquake?  That's what resets the Chandler Wobble, which then gradually damps out over 60 or 70 years or until it is reset by another earthquake.  There's not much we're going to do about the solar cycle - we're just along for the ride.  There's a sixteen-year cycle we don't even know the cause of, let alone, what to do about it.  And all these cycles get added together and warming gets added on the top.  Human-caused warming is added to the natural cycles, so temps go up and down following the natural cycles, but at a slightly higher level.  That's all that's going on:  some heat gets added to the system.

That's not the whole story, of course.  Nights are warmer than they used to be, so the average goes up.  But people don't go out at night very much, so they don't notice.  It's the lower temps that are rising.  Winters are warmer too, and shorter.  The annual average temp can rise without setting any new records just by lengthening out the growing season.

As far as the proposals:  grinding up some battleships to spread in the southern ocean is probably not a bad idea (Except that metallic iron is Fe+++ and what we need to put in the water is Fe++.).  Sulfides in the upper atmosphere - coal-burning powerplants already do that.  But they also add carbon.  And sooner or later that sulfide comes down to earth as acid rain.  All these ideas run the risk of unforeseen consequences and they were the cause of the problem in the first place.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:47 PM

We likely have the ability to substantially reduce the physical impact of humanity on the planet. The real question is do we have the ability to substantially reduce the impact of greed. If past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, then we have a real challenge ahead of us.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE-
With the IPCC climate change report
indicating a 95% likelihood that
human activities are the dominant
cause of global warming,
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.....which still leaves a 5% chance that it's caused by a race of giant space ants with a huge magnifying glass.....
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

We're still doing the climate change thing? I guess the 60% arctic ice increase is irrelevant then.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:25 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 30 September 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

We're still doing the climate change thing? I guess the 60% arctic ice increase is irrelevant then.
That's a one-year increase.  Just normal variation about a long-term curve.  The current downward trend has been evident on the summer ice pack since the 50s and on the winter ice pack since the 70s.  Do you really think a one or two-year reversal is something permanent?

In past climate shifts, the climate has "flickered" between the old and new regimes - like electricity arcing across the gap when somebody throws a switch.  The "wild weather" we've been getting since about 2000 is consistent with this model, even though there's no solid evidence.  Climatologists have long expected the melt-off of the Arctic Ocean to be the "threshold" that would bring about the next climate shift.  That looks like what is happening.  Typically, the climate shifts to the new regime for several years, then back to the old one for several years, then back to the new one.  This can go on for decades to centuries.  Current forecasts are that the Arctic Ocean will be substantially ice free by 2040.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:28 PM

easy don't have kids. we get ride of like 95% of our population and all our problems are solved.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:24 PM

Climate change has been going on since the planet was formed and will still go on when the human race is gone, we are helping to make it worse whith the population explosion i think this is our biggest problem we have refugues arriving here whith as many as 8 10 children, all have to be fed and housed adding to the never ending problem


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:18 AM

Why should we *want* to "solve" climate change? The climate has been changing since the birth of our planet. The only constant in the climate is that it is always changing. The question itself shows the ludicrious assumption on which the entire political "global warming" scam is based, namely that a) the climate is naturally stable and b ) can be controlled by us like an airconditioner.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:32 AM

Some talk show happened to mention that despite predictions, a person entering his senior year of high school this year has lived his entire life without any global warming.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:10 AM

Quit ******* up that's how.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:24 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 01 October 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Why should we *want* to "solve" climate change? The climate has been changing since the birth of our planet. The only constant in the climate is that it is always changing. The question itself shows the ludicrious assumption on which the entire political "global warming" scam is based, namely that a) the climate is naturally stable and b ) can be controlled by us like an airconditioner.
The definition of "global warming" is human-caused warming.  The temps go up and down, but with human-caused warming added in, they go a little higher and they don't go down as far, but they still go up and down.

Can we control climate?  Well, we can make it warmer.  So far, making it cooler has eluded us.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:29 AM

View PostSundew, on 01 October 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Some talk show happened to mention that despite predictions, a person entering his senior year of high school this year has lived his entire life without any global warming.
A high school grad this year would have been born in 1995.  In 1995, temps were still heading strongly upward.  So that person lived through three years of VERY rapid warming.  Temps started upward again in 2005, but slower.  Since then, they have trended slowly upward.  So that high school grad has seen something like three or four all-time highs in their lifetime.
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