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#1    Talon

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 04:58 PM

Some Turkish women 'back beating'
More than a third of Turkish women believe they deserve to be beaten if they argue with their husbands or deny them sex, according to a new survey.
The poll of 8,075 married women by Ankara's Hacettepe University revealed that 39% thought domestic violence was justified in certain circumstances.

In rural areas, 57% said their spouses were right to beat them, the study funded by the EU and Turkey showed.

The EU, which Turkey seeks to join, has urged Ankara to improve women's rights.

Last month, the Turkish parliament approved legal reforms including heavier punishments for assaults on women, the recognition of rape in marriage and life terms for perpetrators of "honour killings".

But Kirsty Hughes, visiting fellow of the European Institute of the London School of Economics, told BBC News Online that "laws don't change attitudes overnight".

"Turkey is a conservative, patriarchal society that is changing and needs to change more - which is why so many in Turkey are keen to join the EU," she added.

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In the poll, women said domestic violence was justified if they argued with their husband, if they spent too much or neglected the children, the Anatolia news agency reports.

Correspondents say Turkish women enjoy greater freedoms than those in many other Muslim nations.

For decades, they have had the right to vote, access to education, the right to divorce and the right to abortion.

But violence is frequently cited as a key problem by Western non-governmental organisations.

A recent report by Amnesty International estimated that at least one third of Turkish women are victims of domestic violence in which they are "hit, raped and, in some cases, killed or forced to commit suicide".



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...ope/3944983.stm


And this is the country people want to join the EU, and under multi-culturalism we should learn from rolleyes.gif

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 05:19 PM

I've been against Turkey joining the EU anyway and this makes me even more against it. Jeez these poor women what a horrific existence they lead. Turkey needs to get out the middle ages mentality and join the 21st century. This is disgusting.  sad.gif


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Posted 22 October 2004 - 08:57 PM

Changing the laws is a good begining thumbsup.gif in fact, this is the most powerful thing to do. These poor women don't know any better sad.gif it's been their culture for so long.

It will take many years for such a big change in culture and for these women to enjoy the rights that we have. It will also take education on domestic violence to open their eyes to the abuse that men have committed (against them). And you have to realize that domestic violence has been going on for centuries, it is woven into the fabric of their civilization. It _unfortunately_ won't just go away. Men have been beating women since time began and women are taught that that is the proper and repectful thing to do.

Women and men have to be 'untaught'. That will be a big lesson to learn, especially, since it has been sanctioned by religion and culture all these centuries.



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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:05 PM

In these cultures if a woman complains she is beaten worse and ostracized from the community. Other women won't talk to her even her own mother looks down on her. If she complains, she really gets it, then. cool.gif You can't imagine the horror and pain these women go through.

Here in the states we have just accepted or recognized 'marital' rape....I am surprized that that was on the books. Ah...progress! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:08 PM

I know this is a serious issue and I am not trying to belittle it, but every time I read an article concerning domestic violence I am reminded how my parents showed us, my brother and me, that it is wrong for a man to strike his wife or treat her with disrespect. I smart mouthed my Mom one time and my Dad took me aside and told me that if I ever disrespected his wife again he would deal with me like a man. Notice he said his wife not my Mom, that is a whole other thing in the American male culture. I told that story to make a point, yes passing laws is important and needed, but the key, in my opinion is going to be changing the attitudes in young people, like my father did me.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:18 PM

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:30 PM

Oh, yes, you are so right. In fact, that is where most change occurs_ with the children. The culture is so hard to change, but if you change the laws and start to change the culture you can teach the children how to treat people (women). In the shelter I worked at, the women I worked with, became so despondent at times. It was because it is was such a hard and in many ways losing battle to fight 'domestic violence'. One older gal told me that the secret to bringing about change in 'violence against women' is with the children. Our organization taught the children (that came in with their mothers) how to respect their moms and other females in the family. The children learned from their dad or father figure to hit their moms when they were angry or frustrated and this perpetuates the 'cycle of violence'. The kids grow up to be violent and it starts all over again. It is learned.

When I, recently, went into the university ( in my city) to take a few courses, I was so surprized. blink.gif  original.gif   to see the men treat the women as equals. I thought to myself...YES!...It works! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE(kingdude22a @ Oct 22 2004, 04:18 PM)
Stupid stupid women any man who beat a woman is a cowrad

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This is so true. thumbsup.gif

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:40 PM

I am the father of 5 boys, ranging in age from 22 years to 5 months, and I have already told the ones old enough to understand "that if their wife or girl friend ever shows up at my door with a mark on her that matches your fist I will beat you sensless." I am 6'2" 250 lbs. big enough for them to take me seriously......

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 09:56 PM

When I talk about the university, it was such a wonderful surprize because back when I went to college, it was a very different story. Men did not treat women equally and the school didn't treat women with the same respect they did men. In fact, there were much more men in school, back then_ than women. Today, at the same school, it is a totally different experience for us.... and there are more women students, now, than men.

What was that saying that comes to mind?..."You've come a long way, baby!"  clap.gif  thumbup.gif Yeah.

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 10:33 PM

Anyway, when you change the laws, the culture begins to change and then you are able to teach the children to respect women. Right now, in these cultures, you aren't allowed to teach a child 'a thing like that'! What?! respect for women?!..."Don't' beat a woman??" ...unheard of_ and punishable by_ yet another beating. ph34r.gif  

But, do you see what I am saying... the women or even the men over there would be stoned if they tried to teach children this, now. Most people in these cultures because of their laws and up-bringing don't see anything wrong with it (or if they do they keep their mouths shut).

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 10:50 PM

Men who treat women like that are totall scum , the same can be said about women who treat men the same way.

Its sad that a country still goes along with this sort of thing , I once tried to help a women from her beating Boyfriend, A mistake I will make again and again. After knocking the guy on the floor the Women Screamed he's attacking my boyfriend!!

When i looked at her bewildered a police oficer Broke my jaw with a trunchoen.

All this on New years 2000. I night i will remember for the worng reasons blink.gif

Not that this relates directly to the turkish story, In the West Domestic Violence isnt helped when the victims refuse to help themselves

What twpdyp said is so true , my parents treated me the exact same way and there is absolutley no way I would raise my hand without physical provication

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 12:50 AM

Babs, I'm hoping I'm just misreading your posts, but you seem to be coming off of accusing all men in general of abusing women rather than a minority. I don't know how it is in the US, maybe you have to catch up or something, but in western Europe we've been tackling domestic violence for generations, and although it still effects a fifth of marriages, thatís a far cry from all men being guilt of it. Furthermore, itís estimated that one in seven victims of domestic abuse are male.

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 12:55 AM

furthermore in the cultures where it is acceptable they all know its wrong but it allows them to stay in their position of power.

Its disgusting.

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 12:59 AM

I correct myself, this site claims its closer to 30% of victims are male - http://www.batteredmen.com/batrNVAWf.htm

He's some other sites;

http://www.batteredmen.com/batresrh.htm

http://www.safe4all.org/essays/2page.html




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