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What is your view of black magic curses, hex?

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#31    Beany

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:58 PM

It seems to me that there are better, more effective ways of dealing with problems than resorting to magic, hexes, & curses. If such powers do indeed exist, than it seems to me it might be an abuse of power to use it to cause harm. This energy, this power, is not ours, we don't own it, we don't generate it, its existence & creation are entirely separate from us. To attempt to manipulate it as a tool to manifest our negative intentions or desires means we will eventually suffer the consequences. There's no free ride. Everything we do or say has a consequence. Negative action=negative consequence. Positive action=positive consequence.

Someone once put a curse on me, I was told. I had to laugh, because I don't believe the universe would conspire with anyone to cause harm to me or anyone else just because someone said some words or lit a candle or made an animal sacrifice, or drew a pentagram. I think humanity has made it pretty clear that as a species we can't be trusted with that kind of power. I can't imagine any kind of creation story that would give us that power in the first place.


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:08 PM

 Simbi Laveau, on 05 October 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

They didn't use magick, they physically broke into my house and messed with stuff.
Trust me, the cops have two reports of break in, and they documented all of it.
One of them was scared ****less of the dead bird hanging from my laundry line, with a blue string wrapped and tied around one of its legs.
It's not like it flew in here and tied up its own leg and then hung itself from MY clothes line.
This stuff doesn't scare me, and I've had plenty of magick done on me.
When you realize what going on, you protect yourself.
This is why it has no affect on me. But it has in the past.
Generally, I also cannot be bothered to do magick back on someone so lame, so... I didn't. It's a waste of energy on people who will get what they deserve anyway.
The Nigerian voodoo chick, she was the real deal, so yeah, I posed her back.
Her skills were lame though. Barely bounced off of me.

She was killing the cats I took care of in the parking lot to upset me too.
Like I said, she was afraid of me by the time I was done.
Nigerians don't expect a little white chick to have a clue.
They used a Pigeon for their ritual..
Oh!
That was the best. Pigeons are sacred to Oya, who is the goddess of the dead.
I'm sure they did the ritual in a cemetery too.
It's a ritual for death. See Oya is MY patron goddess.
I also don't do sacrifice.
I did my magick asking the death of the Pigeon be avenged, nothing more. I
She had something like.... Ten car accidents, mostly fender benders, in the space of three months.
No one would insure her. She needed her car for work.



I dont see why the story about them breaking into your house is relevant then

It sounds like vodoo chick is more proof to it not being effective

And, when one gets in a lot of accidents, people tend to not want to insure you.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:47 AM

 SkepticalB, on 05 October 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:



I dont see why the story about them breaking into your house is relevant then

It sounds like vodoo chick is more proof to it not being effective

And, when one gets in a lot of accidents, people tend to not want to insure you.
It's relevant because they did it to frighten me,by making me think a spell had been cast one me. It's a tactic which is used frequently in sham magick.
It seems like it's to curse you, and the coincidences abound.
but to anyone who does a real magick, it's laughable.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:54 AM

 Simbi Laveau, on 06 October 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

It's relevant because they did it to frighten me,by making me think a spell had been cast one me. It's a tactic which is used frequently in sham magick.
It seems like it's to curse you, and the coincidences abound.
but to anyone who does a real magick, it's laughable.
All "magick" is sham magic.  If it's real it's technology.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

 Frank Merton, on 06 October 2013 - 12:54 AM, said:

All "magick" is sham magic.  If it's real it's technology.


If you say so.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:59 AM

 Simbi Laveau, on 06 October 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

If you say so.
Well think about it.  If you know how to do something people see as magical, then you know how to do it and that means to you its a technology.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:10 AM

I prefer the term illusion to technology

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:17 AM

 SkepticalB, on 06 October 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

I prefer the term illusion to technology
I understand what you are saying, but for sake of argument and clarity, let us say you had something like an "evil eye," and knew how to focus it a certain way to cause harm to others.  We would call that magic, but to use it you would have to know how to obtain such an eye and how to apply its forces.  You might not know exactly how it worked, but you would have to know how to use it.  To you that would not be much different from using a microscope -- it would be technological.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:19 AM

For the sake of this conversation, yes, if we presuppose this thing exists, then having an understanding of how to use it would invariably lead to it being technology.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:23 AM

Yea, you hit it.  The problem is supposition contrary to fact.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:29 AM

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Quite right sir, quite right

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 02:55 AM

 Frank Merton, on 06 October 2013 - 12:54 AM, said:

All "magick" is sham magic.  If it's real it's technology.

heh, you're right, plus if magic/k was real, then it would be real even if no one believed in it. Also, if it were real, I am sure a bunch of people who could do it for 'real' would do it, and end a lot of issues like world hunger, war, illness.. et et et (or even minor things).

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:07 AM

 Beany, on 05 October 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

It seems to me that there are better, more effective ways of dealing with problems than resorting to magic, hexes, & curses. If such powers do indeed exist, than it seems to me it might be an abuse of power to use it to cause harm. This energy, this power, is not ours, we don't own it, we don't generate it, its existence & creation are entirely separate from us. To attempt to manipulate it as a tool to manifest our negative intentions or desires means we will eventually suffer the consequences.

This is why I think its best to go through God. So in the experience I posted, I called upon another to judge/act for me. I couldn't know for sure what the man was thinking so I basically asked another to find out. I suppose its called Deity magick.

It reminds me a little of something I heard from the Bible much later in life(I think people here were talking about it).

2 Kings 2:23-24

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys."


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:11 AM

even christians don't call what the prophets did magic.

and the translation of that particular verse is a bit lacking most of the time.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:15 AM

Summoning deities to do "it" strikes me as magic.






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