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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:11 PM

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England is the only country in the developed world where the generation approaching retirement is more literate and numerate than the youngest, according to the first skills survey by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

In a stark assessment of the success and failure of the 720 million-strong adult workforce across the wealthier economies, the economic thinktank warns that in England, adults aged 55 to 65 perform better than 16- to 24-year-olds in foundation levels of literacy and numeracy. The survey did not include people from Scotland or Wales.

The OECD study also finds that a quarter of adults in England hve the maths skills of a 10-year-old. About 8.5 million adults, 24.1% of the population, have such basic levels of numeracy that they can manage only one-step tasks with sums, sorting numbers or reading graphs. This was worse than the average in the developed world, where an average of 19% of people were found to have a similarly poor skill base.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:41 AM

Which is why Education should not be a ******* political football and the only place were the government can "make an immediate mark" by changing the entire ******* syllabus every time a new party comes into power.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:27 AM

I do like the way these Economic Thinktanks only ever think of people in terms of their usefulness as units of production for the Economy. "In a stark assessment of the success and failure of the 720 million-strong adult workforce across the wealthier economies" That's the only value that's ever put on people, so is it any wonder that people are tempted to think " :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:  it, why the hell should I bother just so that the Government can boast about how their Economy is "Growing" and so their policies are a Success."

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

What do they expect when every primary class is filled with kids that can't speak English?! Most of a primary teachers job now is instead of teaching the basics to get children learning is spent teaching English as a second language while the kids that can speak English do nonsense projects to keep them occupied.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:12 AM

Kids in Vietnam are now started in English in second grade, and the plan is to start it in pre-school.  Kinda discouraging for me.  All my life my English (and to a lesser extent other languages) has given me a huge leg up, but nowadays teenagers speak it as well as I do, from school and of course movies.

I don't think education will play the role in the future that it has played in the past.  Machines will eliminate the need for both skilled and unskilled labor, as well as a lot of jobs now requiring college degrees.  Computers will make verbal and language skills unnecessary, and we don't need to be able to read any more to entertain ourselves anyway.

Kids nowadays have a sense of this already, which is why they don't take learning the multiplication tables seriously.  What for when calculators are ubiquitous?


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

Learning all the swearwords is of prime importance as you can hear on any street when school comes out,but I guess the Parents teach them at home and not the Teachers at school.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:21 AM

Yea I'm popular at English speaker's club because I know them.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:23 AM

It makes an interesting picture -- old man (me) surrounded by teens asking what this and that means.  Sometimes what they want to know is too gross for me to explain in mixed company.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:51 PM

Schools have been failing for years.  The price of backing down to teachers and unions who have steadily managed to increase their pay and do far less work.  Most classrooms have a teaching assistant qualified to only a level 3 standard (around an A level).  They lead the class why the teacher 'supervise' from the side line and marks the work.

My partners daughter had 68 pieces of homework last year, only 1 piece was marked by the teacher supervising at the side.  The school which is apparently superior in this area was not involved in last weeks industrial action, it did however give the students a shortened day so the would not feel left out to other kids who got a day off.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:14 PM

Makes you wonder about the truth in the saying about sparing the rod and spoiling the child. (Never mind me - I'm just an old dinosaur who was educated in a system that required you to learn things, not just look at them!)

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

what these studies never show are the realities, you only need the majority of the population to have the basic skills enough which enables them to get through life / working life. in most cases by age 10 - 13 years you have pretty much been taught the basics and acquired the skills. it always makes me laugh the way they always use this age range to demonstrate a point - have you ever heard them say, they have the basic maths skills of a 22 year old, a 36 year old. no. the reverse is true, do they ever say they have such exceptional maths skills - the same as a 100 year old. no.

the UK and America always come near the bottom in these research polls. it's time to worry when we start coming near the top. finishing near the bottom as served us so well so far. proof is in the list.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:41 PM

If one is living in relative comfort, there is little incentive to change particularly so when an individual lacks foresight. So, the notion of educational relevancy is lost to many youth. Youth need to be inspired and accordingly mentored by those individuals and institutions that can do so ... think of how many youth were educationally inspired by the adventure of landing an individual on the moon. Instead we grant lofty sums of money on entertainers, to include sports figures. That sends a pretty clear message as to where our values are situated, on self-indulgence rather than on personal growth.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 10 October 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

what these studies never show are the realities, you only need the majority of the population to have the basic skills enough which enables them to get through life / working life. in most cases by age 10 - 13 years you have pretty much been taught the basics and acquired the skills. it always makes me laugh the way they always use this age range to demonstrate a point - have you ever heard them say, they have the basic maths skills of a 22 year old, a 36 year old. no. the reverse is true, do they ever say they have such exceptional maths skills - the same as a 100 year old. no.

the UK and America always come near the bottom in these research polls. it's time to worry when we start coming near the top. finishing near the bottom as served us so well so far. proof is in the list.

Wish you could have explained that to Gordon Brown.  Wasn't it him who predicted anyone without a university education would be unemployable in a few years?  So maybe they can teach the basic skills there and charge 9k for the service.  Since under his prediction the dustmen, shelf stackers, road sweepers and general workers will need an Oxford education.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 05:38 PM

the technology with phones and computers is killing the Children's ability to learn and spell English words, more and more kids have phones today. Maths is the same.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postskookum, on 10 October 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Wish you could have explained that to Gordon Brown.  Wasn't it him who predicted anyone without a university education would be unemployable in a few years?  So maybe they can teach the basic skills there and charge 9k for the service.  Since under his prediction the dustmen, shelf stackers, road sweepers and general workers will need an Oxford education.
Well, of course, the edumacation system has become an industry just the same as any other; that's what it's all about, School is about processing people for University, and University is all about processing people to get Degrees that are really absolutely useless, it's just that "desirable" jobs almost always stipulate that they're required. The whole thing is just a great big production line from beginning to end, that exists just to generate money for the authorities that run the schools and the universities.

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