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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:18 PM

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The government is shut down. Confidence in Congress is at all-time lows. The American people haven't believed the country to be on the right track in almost a decade. Congress might do something truly crazy and default on the national debt.

At this point, it's almost cliche to say Washington isn't working. But the truth is harsher: Washington is actively failing. It's failing to craft policies that make the country better. And it's failing to avoid disasters that make the country worse.

It's nice to imagine these failures are temporary or aberrational. It's comforting to believe that they're the result of bad people, or dumb people, or incompetent people. But the truth is more unnerving: The American political system is being torn apart by deep structural changes that don't look likely to reverse themselves anytime soon. A deal to reopen the government won't fix what ails American politics.

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Not to mention the real radicals who are cheering all this on while cooking their own soup, which has nothing in common with what America is, was and ever stood for.

Edited by questionmark, 08 October 2013 - 07:43 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:39 PM

Information is why US politics are failing. I've had the immense pleasure of changing careers recently which has led me to working with primarily 25 y/o and under kids. I have been truly impressed with these kids political acumen. The media has been spinning this knowledge as "apathy" since the dawn of the information age and perhaps in a convoluted sense it is apathy , but not for the reasons Mark Levin or Bill Maher are screaming about. There is simply too much information available, people can no longer in good conscience say their representatives are good people because they KNOW they're not. They can no longer say they have a voice in the political process because they KNOW they don't. With each declassified document the facts about US politics becomes clearer, the recent WHISTLEBLOWERS (remember when that was a good thing in America?) added the needed windex to expose the futility which is expending any energy on the current US political system .............unless of course you're rich

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

If big business and all the career politicians are against the new breed of republicans then maybe that should tell you something :tu:


you've been popping anti right wing threads out like crazy.

Edited by spartan max2, 08 October 2013 - 07:52 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 08 October 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

which has nothing in common with what America is, was and ever stood for.
And what is that?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 08 October 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

If big business and all the career politicians are against the new breed of republicans then maybe that should tell you something :tu:


you've been popping anti right wing threads out like crazy.

Seriously? Don't buy that garbage, they too have "big business" paying for them. .......Whats the saying about the definition of insanity? Voting this left right paradigm over and over sees to fit pretty well with that.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 08 October 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

And what is that?

Splitting the country into good and bad Americans, for one.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:04 PM

Politics in America, and probably elsewhere (I wouldn't know), are failing because we aren't electing leaders.  We elect people that put their self interests before their constituents.

I think this was discussed a couple millennium ago. If I remember correctly, it was between some guy named Socrates and his friend Glaucon.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:07 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 08 October 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Splitting the country into good and bad Americans, for one.
That's what America stands for?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 08 October 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

That's what America stands for?

Sorry, misunderstood you. That is what the radicals are trying to do.

What America stands for, among others, is not giving in to radicals. Has never worked...until lately.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:28 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 08 October 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Sorry, misunderstood you. That is what the radicals are trying to do.

What America stands for, among others, is not giving in to radicals. Has never worked...until lately.
The biggest radical is holding the top office in the nation.  What Democrats and Republicans use to do was to show leadership and give up stuff even if it was dear in order to benefit the country.  What has Obama ever given up?  What hasn't the GOP given up time and time again to give the President what he wanted in the last 5 years?

What I agree with the article is that the two parties have completely diverged and big business losing power with the GOP.  But where I disagree is that the TEA Party is extreme.  The TEA Party is what America stands for; what our Founding Fathers envisioned.  Itís the rest of the political process that has wandered and become extreme and again, that is because Socialism has crept into our system.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 08 October 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

The biggest radical is holding the top office in the nation.  What Democrats and Republicans use to do was to show leadership and give up stuff even if it was dear in order to benefit the country.  What has Obama ever given up?  What hasn't the GOP given up time and time again to give the President what he wanted in the last 5 years?

What I agree with the article is that the two parties have completely diverged and big business losing power with the GOP.  But where I disagree is that the TEA Party is extreme.  The TEA Party is what America stands for; what our Founding Fathers envisioned.  It's the rest of the political process that has wandered and become extreme and again, that is because Socialism has crept into our system.

Whatever man, whatever.

As for the Tea Party, deceit was never anything that America stood for, and it is extremely deceitful to try to hijack the Republicans, and that was done because by themselves the Teaparty would get less than their own member's votes.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 08 October 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

As for the Tea Party, deceit was never anything that America stood for, and it is extremely deceitful to try to hijack the Republicans, and that was done because by themselves the Teaparty would get less than their own member's votes.
Whatís deceitful about the TEA Party, especially compared to the Socialists and Republicans?  The TEA Party represents those core values you referenced.  These are the core values that allowed our Founding Fathers to create our Founding Documents.  The TEA Party isnít hijacking anything, if anything, they are Seal Team Six rescuing the nation being held hostage by the Socialists.  Donít misunderstand me.  The TEA Party has some growing pains to get through but make no mistake about it, the TEA Party is *THE* grassroots movement.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:24 PM

The TEA Party, are not a bunch of "extremists".... They are hard working Americans, who want their country back, because it still belongs to them. Sure, their not perfect, but we all want the same thing! (At least some of us do anyway) And that is a return to the Constitution, and smaller government....


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostFarmer77, on 08 October 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Seriously? Don't buy that garbage, they too have "big business" paying for them. .......Whats the saying about the definition of insanity? Voting this left right paradigm over and over sees to fit pretty well with that.

I just mentioned it because his biased article seemed to be happy that big business was funding a candidate to go against Justin Amish.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:44 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 08 October 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

I just mentioned it because his biased article seemed to be happy that big business was funding a candidate to go against Justin Amish.

Well, considering who owns the Washington Post, that shouldn't surprise anyone too much....





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