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#1    XingWi

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:18 PM

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Nearly half a million Iraqis have died as a result of the war in their country, according to the findings of a new study. An estimated 461,000 Iraqis died between March 2003 and June 2011 as a direct or indirect result of the conflict, a new study published in journal PLOS Medicine has shown.

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Almost half a million deaths in Iraq between 2003 and 2011 were caused by war and occupation, according to new research. The figure is around four times bigger than most previous estimates.

Source: http://rt.com/news/r...s-died-war-247/


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:01 PM

You've just described WAR.  Iraq was a mistake, yes, but a crime?  I reject that.  I also reject that most of those casualties were directly caused by US fire - one need only look at the daily body count TODAY to see that these folks don't work and play well with one another.  America is at fault for destabilizing a country that had no real concept of freedom and was under internal pressures that seem only to be controlled by a dictator who is ruthless.  See Syria, Yemen, Libya, Jordan etc.  These populations have known no other way of life for generations and when the strong hand is removed the internal bloodlusts and strife start.  
These pieces are just anti American rhetoric, plain and simple.  I do not even bother to dispute the numbers.  The attitude contained here is that America is responsible for every death under ANY circumstance since long before the first shots were fired and I call B.S. on that - have a nice day man.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:12 PM

America is at fault for destabilizing a secular state and turning it into a Shiite Islamic state.   As always, the blowback proves the policy is insane.   I have no interest in taking food out of my childrens' mouths to subsidize some Islamic state in the Middle East that my tax dollars paid for.    Any war of aggression is a crime.  Iraq didn't attack us, we had no right to attack them.  Iraq wasn't an imminent threat, our politicians who lied us into war should be in jail for war crimes.  Of course it's a crime.  The democrats proved immediately in the first few months of 2009 they were all manners of limpotent when Obama said he wasn't going to pursue any legal investigations of the Bush administration and they all said "Derp!" in response.   I never saw an anti-war movement shrivel up faster than that, like a scrotum in ice water.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostYamato, on 19 October 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

America is at fault for destabilizing a secular state and turning it into a Shiite Islamic state.   As always, the blowback proves the policy is insane.   I have no interest in taking food out of my childrens' mouths to subsidize some Islamic state in the Middle East that my tax dollars paid for. Any war of aggression is a crime.  Iraq didn't attack us, we had no right to attack them.  Iraq wasn't an imminent threat, our politicians who lied us into war should be in jail for war crimes.  Of course it's a crime.  The democrats proved immediately in the first few months of 2009 they were all manners of limpotent when Obama said he wasn't going to pursue any legal investigations of the Bush administration and they all said "Derp!" in response.   I never saw an anti-war movement shrivel up faster than that, like a scrotum in ice water.
Yeah... by all accounts it was a GRAND place to live before 2003.  Our pols do a lot that they should answer for and maybe someday they will.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:58 PM

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A powerful and timely investigation into the media's role in war, tracing the history of embedded and independent reporting from the carnage of World War One to the destruction of Hiroshima, and from the invasion of Vietnam to the current war in Afghanistan and disaster in Iraq.
As weapons and propaganda become even more sophisticated, the nature of war is developing into an electronic battlefield in which journalists play a key role, and civilians are the victims. But who is the real enemy?
John Pilger says in the film: "We journalists... have to be brave enough to defy those who seek our collusion in selling their latest bloody adventure in someone else's country... That means always challenging the official story, however patriotic that story may appear, however seductive and insidious it is.

For propaganda relies on us in the media to aim its deceptions not at a far away country but at you at home... In this age of endless imperial war, the lives of countless men, women and children depend on the truth or their blood is on us... Those whose job it is to keep the record straight ought to be the voice of people, not power."


Link: http://topdocumentar...r-you-dont-see/


This is a good documentary, that tells the truth about the Iraq War.....

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostYamato, on 19 October 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

America is at fault for destabilizing a secular state and turning it into a Shiite Islamic state.   As always, the blowback proves the policy is insane.   I have no interest in taking food out of my childrens' mouths to subsidize some Islamic state in the Middle East that my tax dollars paid for. Any war of aggression is a crime.  Iraq didn't attack us, we had no right to attack them.  Iraq wasn't an imminent threat, our politicians who lied us into war should be in jail for war crimes.  Of course it's a crime.  The democrats proved immediately in the first few months of 2009 they were all manners of limpotent when Obama said he wasn't going to pursue any legal investigations of the Bush administration and they all said "Derp!" in response.   I never saw an anti-war movement shrivel up faster than that, like a scrotum in ice water.

LOL....What makes me ill, is the fact Rachel Maddow, was so vocal about Bush and the Iraq War, but when Obama tried to do the same thing in Syria, that was okay, though..... :no:


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:01 AM

View Postand then, on 19 October 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

You've just described WAR.  Iraq was a mistake, yes, but a crime?  I reject that.  I also reject that most of those casualties were directly caused by US fire - one need only look at the daily body count TODAY to see that these folks don't work and play well with one another.  America is at fault for destabilizing a country that had no real concept of freedom and was under internal pressures that seem only to be controlled by a dictator who is ruthless.  See Syria, Yemen, Libya, Jordan etc.  These populations have known no other way of life for generations and when the strong hand is removed the internal bloodlusts and strife start.  
These pieces are just anti American rhetoric, plain and simple.  I do not even bother to dispute the numbers.  The attitude contained here is that America is responsible for every death under ANY circumstance since long before the first shots were fired and I call B.S. on that - have a nice day man.

LOL, the concept is quite simple.  It's called cause and effect.

No proof, no intervention.  No intervention, no invasion.  No invasion, no deaths.

Whether or not these populations were living like bloodthirsty troglodytes, once we (the US and it's western allies) stepped in we became responsible and guilty for their deaths.  The Bush Administration were the direct culprits and have on their hands the blood of every single death (close to a million people IMO) caused by the invasion from day 1.  Western ally leaders are guilty by association and have on their hands the blood of every single death caused by the invasion from day 1.  The UN turned a blind eye on flimsy evidence, are guilty by association and have on their hands the blood of every single death caused by the invasion from day 1.

Western populations are guilty for allowing their elected leaders to conduct themselves like war criminals.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:42 AM

And how many Iraqis was good old Saddam killing year in and year out in that lil bit o' paradise on the Tigris he built?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:29 AM

View PostRafterman, on 20 October 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

And how many Iraqis was good old Saddam killing year in and year out in that lil bit o' paradise on the Tigris he built?

So we go in to save the day and kill ten times the amount.  Duh, that makes sense...

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:14 AM

View Postand then, on 19 October 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

You've just described WAR.  Iraq was a mistake, yes, but a crime?  I reject that.  I also reject that most of those casualties were directly caused by US fire - one need only look at the daily body count TODAY to see that these folks don't work and play well with one another.  America is at fault for destabilizing a country that had no real concept of freedom and was under internal pressures that seem only to be controlled by a dictator who is ruthless.  See Syria, Yemen, Libya, Jordan etc.  These populations have known no other way of life for generations and when the strong hand is removed the internal bloodlusts and strife start.  
These pieces are just anti American rhetoric, plain and simple.  I do not even bother to dispute the numbers.  The attitude contained here is that America is responsible for every death under ANY circumstance since long before the first shots were fired and I call B.S. on that - have a nice day man.


I'm always baffled by your apathy toward human suffering. How can anyone be so cold to turn their backs on myriad human-rights violations and war crimes that were commited by the US during the invasion and occupation of Iraq?!

The number of deaths taken into account are only those that were either directly caused by violence or indirectly caused by war related events. It was an independant research carried out by a team that constitutes American and Canadian researchers.

Attacking and murdering unarmed civilians, bombing them with depleted uranium and white phosphorus is not a war crime?! Attacking and mass murdering the civilians is not war, its genocide. Radiation affected regions are still plagued by rising number of cancer cases and congenital deformities in the newborns:



Fallujah more radioactive than Hiroshima
A recent study on weapons used by the United States in a brutal battle campaign in Fallujah during the invasion of Iraq has revealed dangerous levels of radiation. The after effects from the campaign have already started to surface due to many birth defects and disfigurements:







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Iraq War Anniversary: Birth Defects And Cancer Rates At Devastating High In Basra And Fallujah



Cancer rate in Fallujah worse than Hiroshima





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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:16 AM

View PostKowalski, on 19 October 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

Link: http://topdocumentar...r-you-dont-see/


This is a good documentary, that tells the truth about the Iraq War.....

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Thanks for the link.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 11:31 AM

This is misleading. American soldiers did not shoot half a million Iraqis. The death toll includes the actions of insurgent and Iraqi forces, and deaths caused by the disruption to society that war inevitably brings.

There was no genocide committed by US or allied forces. If genocide was the aim of the mission the death toll would be a lot higher. Certain soldiers did commit crimes, and were punished.

The US military has actually been dedicated to minimising civilian casualties in every war since WW2. I'm no supporter of the Iraq war, but I'm not going to slander the US military by parroting BS.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:16 PM

View PostAlmagest, on 20 October 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

This is misleading. American soldiers did not shoot half a million Iraqis. The death toll includes the actions of insurgent and Iraqi forces, and deaths caused by the disruption to society that war inevitably brings.

There was no genocide committed by US or allied forces. If genocide was the aim of the mission the death toll would be a lot higher. Certain soldiers did commit crimes, and were punished.

The US military has actually been dedicated to minimising civilian casualties in every war since WW2. I'm no supporter of the Iraq war, but I'm not going to slander the US military by parroting BS.


Did you even read the links in the OP or are you just parroting what andthen said above? Nobody said American soldiers shot every one of them, the death toll includes the casualties as a result of direct violence as well as other causes related to war, its already mentioned very clearly in the news articles I gave links to. The question is why there was a war in the first place? If the US is not resposible then who is?

It's mindless sheep like you that are parroting the western media's propagandas. Yeah, "minimising civilian casualties" surely does include bombing them with incendiary white phosphorus and depleted uranium.... hilarious!

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:36 PM

I don't understand why people refuse to attribute value to the lives of other human-beings just because they belong to a different nationality/race/religion, and when somebody voices their discontent to that they are accused of "slandering".


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostBlack Red Devil, on 20 October 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

So we go in to save the day and kill ten times the amount.  Duh, that makes sense...
Clearly (in hindsight) it was a mistake.  My problem with those who spew hatred toward the motivations of my government is that they have as their greatest example of "propriety", the support of nothing but the status quo ante.  IOW it's okay if a dictator ruthlessly enslaves a population for decades because if we attempt to change that calculus and fail then we are seen as MUCH worse than the original evil.  It's ridiculous on it's face to a person of traditional morals - and NO I'm not calling everyone who disagreed with the war immoral.  I'm saying that some things are worth fighting for even when you lose.  It gets old when the motives of western civilization are found to be more worthy of your condemnation than the evil of a Saddam or an Assad.  I pray I'm never at the mercy of your grace.

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