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I don't believe in ufos and here's why

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#1    brockster

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:02 PM

First I'd like to say I don't believe in the ufo phenomenon and here's why. Drawing from books from author Ray Kurzweil he talks about the exponential increase in computing power over the course of decades. If you don't already know it look up something called moore's law which basically states that technology is on a steep exponential slope upwards. If that's true of our civilization it stands to reason that any sufficiently advanced civilization could have transcended their own biology which would explain being able to handle immense speeds in these so called craft. But what I'm proposing is not a new theory about their origins, but the idea is that the aliens interpreted in modern and ancient times are in fact Satan and his demons. An evil influence which blinds the minds of non believers. In thr past when I've been interested on the ET phenomenon it was because I didn't immediately perceive the evil already present in human beings. I was only seeking power in a higher intelligence and I found that in god.

Edited by brockster, 19 October 2013 - 01:03 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

View Postbrockster, on 19 October 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

But what I'm proposing is not a new theory about their origins, but the idea is that the aliens interpreted in modern and ancient times are in fact Satan and his demons. An evil influence which blinds the minds of non believers....

Good grief. Not this again.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

UFO doe not mean Alien! it just means an aircraft can't be identified


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:43 PM

You don't believe the UFOs could be spacecraft from an extraterrestrial civilisation, but you do believe that they might be demons of Satan and his minions.


Ok.



You wouldn't happen to be author Ray Kurzweil, would you?

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 02:40 PM

View Postbrockster, on 19 October 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

But what I'm proposing is not a new theory about their origins, but the idea is that the aliens interpreted in modern and ancient times are in fact Satan and his demons. An evil influence which blinds the minds of non believers. In thr past when I've been interested on the ET phenomenon it was because I didn't immediately perceive the evil already present in human beings. I was only seeking power in a higher intelligence and I found that in god.
So instead of applying a modern understanding, you've gone backwards to when demons were blamed for poorly understood phenomena.

I guess Satan now goes around in his spaceship planting fossils and causing mental illness.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:06 PM

View PostRyu, on 19 October 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Good grief. Not this again.

There is no Satan anyway.  There never was.  It's just the name that we give to degenerate practices that have become established in the nature of some humans.

However as we all know there are UFO's and ET's.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:15 PM

View Postbrockster, on 19 October 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

First I'd like to say I don't believe in the ufo phenomenon

Seeeing as its your first post I shall start off like this...

Well, personally, while being a skeptic, I do believe in the ufo phenomenon. Ive had sightings too, tho nothing spectacular. Countless others have had sightings too, so the phenomena is real enough, its even been studied and with many pics and vids...FOR YEARS...at places like this

http://www.hessdalen.org/pictures/

Then you have also the 'earth lights' like for example these

http://en.wikipedia....i/Min_Min_light

And there are other similar ufo/light phenomena in other countries. These are all regular ufo phenomena. Quite simply, its a FACT!

But the issue is - when people assume a ufo/light in the sky - whatever, is a manned craft from another planet, for which there is no proof, never has been either. And you mention "in ancient times"...well, again there is no proof of ancient contact either.

Then you touch on religion, God and satan, but even religion has a short time span in the big history of earth,  Jesus lived/died about two thousand and 40 years ago...but modern man was around at least 200 000 years ago, and older versions of the human form even farther back in time...long long before the notion of religion was born.

And besides, if God and his angels (and even fallen angels) have all this amazing power, why do they need space ships?  :tu:



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:21 PM

Personally, I don't see how folks can completely believe in demons but completely discount the idea of ET life.  As to UFOs, a UFO is simply an Unidentified Flying Object (could have various explanations).

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:38 PM

I believe in the possibility of both ET-UFO's as well as in the seperate subject of inter-dimensional life forms(such as "spirits", etc...)

That's why I joined UM. I have no experience or evidence of either, just my beliefs.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:43 PM

According to the AA theory, God and ET is one in the same. AA Advocates think that people back then had visitations
from ET's from other planets but depicted them as Divine Beings rather then flesh and blood creatures but more advanced.
There's no solid proof this happened but it's just a wild theory.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much skepticism
can make you narrow minded to all possibilities no matter how unconventional.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:43 PM

When I talk about UFOs I tend to get onto the subjects of aliens just because that's typically par for the course when talking about such things. If I accidentally use the two terms interchangeably I'm sorry for my fallible nature, but yet I am human. Also I do believe that Satan exists given the evidence from these two things. Humans imperfection stemming from the fact that we rebelled in the Garden of Eden as a result of Satan's lie of becoming like god. The evilness and hate that exists in the world is the second evidence I provide for reason to believe in wicked spirits.

I appreciate the kind responses and healthy skepticism and arguments raised by my post. I don't totally object to the ET phenomenon though like I said some people offer up the idea that ETs created us humans which I am definitely skeptical about, because then what created the ETs that created us. What created all of the planets in the heavens and what gave everything it's properties? I also find the lack of actual tangible evidence to be concerning.

Don't let my skepticism fool you though I've had plenty of times when at night I've seen gray aliens while I was in sleep paralysis and unable to move. While science can explain away these things as a neurochemical reaction to sleep transitions I still wonder about why I see aliens some times after I go to sleep. Please take note though that I didn't have any of these experiences until I expressed a strong interest in the aliens. That seems to me that either they perceived of some how me being interested in them or my mind was able to make up these experiences some how.

Also I'm not the first one to notice this but there seems to be a strong connection or correlation between expressing interests in the supernatural and the alien phenomenon. In many ways these UFOs seem to express supernatural qualities to where they will appear to some people but not to others, they appear and disappear, and they cannot be explained by our modern means kind of like ghosts or spirits. Satan being the father of the lie deceives peoples minds and can perform such crafty acts to get people interested in a phenomenon to draw them away from serving their creator god.

I'm really surprised that nobody brought up the Kurzweilen(not sure of the spelling) future in which machines and cyborgs transcend their biology. I'm just considering the fact that if others have done what Ray Kurzweil predicts in his books. Then advanced civilizations whether they're carbon based or not may have transcended their fleshly bodies and became something like the spirits that are talked about in the bible. Even so in such a future where technology has dwarfed our knowledge by becoming a giant super megamind that dictates our every action it would still be a hard time to live in. Many Utopian Dystopian scenarios have been presented by futurists yet one the is always prevalent in such scenarios. The want of men and women to become like gods which is the reason we're in this predicament to begin with.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:59 PM

View Postbrockster, on 19 October 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

When I talk about UFOs I tend to get onto the subjects of aliens just because that's typically par for the course when talking about such things. If I accidentally use the two terms interchangeably I'm sorry for my fallible nature, but yet I am human. Also I do believe that Satan exists given the evidence from these two things. Humans imperfection stemming from the fact that we rebelled in the Garden of Eden as a result of Satan's lie of becoming like god. The evilness and hate that exists in the world is the second evidence I provide for reason to believe in wicked spirits.

I appreciate the kind responses and healthy skepticism and arguments raised by my post. I don't totally object to the ET phenomenon though like I said some people offer up the idea that ETs created us humans which I am definitely skeptical about, because then what created the ETs that created us. What created all of the planets in the heavens and what gave everything it's properties? I also find the lack of actual tangible evidence to be concerning.

Don't let my skepticism fool you though I've had plenty of times when at night I've seen gray aliens while I was in sleep paralysis and unable to move. While science can explain away these things as a neurochemical reaction to sleep transitions I still wonder about why I see aliens some times after I go to sleep. Please take note though that I didn't have any of these experiences until I expressed a strong interest in the aliens. That seems to me that either they perceived of some how me being interested in them or my mind was able to make up these experiences some how.

Also I'm not the first one to notice this but there seems to be a strong connection or correlation between expressing interests in the supernatural and the alien phenomenon. In many ways these UFOs seem to express supernatural qualities to where they will appear to some people but not to others, they appear and disappear, and they cannot be explained by our modern means kind of like ghosts or spirits. Satan being the father of the lie deceives peoples minds and can perform such crafty acts to get people interested in a phenomenon to draw them away from serving their creator god.

I'm really surprised that nobody brought up the Kurzweilen(not sure of the spelling) future in which machines and cyborgs transcend their biology. I'm just considering the fact that if others have done what Ray Kurzweil predicts in his books. Then advanced civilizations whether they're carbon based or not may have transcended their fleshly bodies and became something like the spirits that are talked about in the bible. Even so in such a future where technology has dwarfed our knowledge by becoming a giant super megamind that dictates our every action it would still be a hard time to live in. Many Utopian Dystopian scenarios have been presented by futurists yet one the is always prevalent in such scenarios. The want of men and women to become like gods which is the reason we're in this predicament to begin with.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Hebrew Bible depict Satan (so to speak) as a Prosecuting Attorney to Man rather then God's Adversary?
In other words. Satan isn't evil, He's an angel that points out the bad that humankind has done to God. And God will decide mans fate.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much skepticism
can make you narrow minded to all possibilities no matter how unconventional.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:06 PM

Was clicking on this topic for laughs, and got more chuckles than I bargained for.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:08 PM

Then I think you do not understand God.  I first I emplore you ask God for the wisdom to understand selfishness.  This is a very scary thing to learn, because you find out how seriously selfish the human race is.  Then I emplore you to study biology, physics, and astronomy.  Science is not the answer to God, but God is the answer to science.  He created science and math.
But if you want to understand God just a little bit better, indevor to understand what the term "Multi-dimensional spiritual being" means.  You missed the mark, but believe it or not, I could not have figured this much out with out God's help.  It is great that your questioning reality, but theres too much selfishness in it.  Earth is not some trial run.  It is an example to all life everywhere.  You have a major journey ahead of you before you can see clearer just what im saying.  But don't think me as someone who is smarter or wiser than you because I have these things to say, for I am a foolish and selfish person aswell, God just led me to discover these things.





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