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#31    Merc14

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:07 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 21 October 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Ok?  Looked at it...same questions the red cross asked me when I donated blood...seems reasonable for health insurance.  Again, just because there is a consent form doesn't mean they are going to be handing out your information like candy.  They would need the same consent form to provide your information to doctors.
  
Are you incapabnle of doing a Google Search?  Are you unaware of the myriad problems and outrages being reported from all over the country?  Did you know your hero stoodf in front of teh world today and admitted tah the system his people had 5 years creat is a complete and utterly unusable mess?  I would guess so since you asked simple search questions numerous times above so here is a lesson for you Mr. Luddite
http://bit.ly/19p4kgE

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:22 PM

A interesting article I found doing a google search:

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Dr. Roger Stark, a health care policy analyst at Washington Policy Center and a retired physician, says with the government playing a much bigger role in our health care system, a loss of privacy is inevitable.
“This is a unique problem. Somewhere there is going to be a central computer asking, What is your income, health history, are you a criminal or an illegal alien, and track your health policy so that all this data is available on a database and can be accessed immediately,” said Stark.
Seton Motley, president of free market public policy organization Less Government, says potential abuse from the IRS is no longer just a conspiracy theory but fact.
“The government takes all this data, but what’s to stop them from using this against people or groups to harm them? For example, during the auto [industry] bailout, the Obama administration used campaign finance data to close auto dealershipsPosted Image, not because they were not selling enough cars but because the owners had made political donations to the opposition. Now they have given the enforcement of ObamaCare to the most pernicious agency in the entire government. This is no longer an ideological argument; this is what big government looks like,” said Motley.

“Government does not exist in a vacuum. It is like a living organism that seeks to not only preserve itself, but to expand, no matter which party is in power,” said Motley.

Link: http://news.heartlan...y-concerns-rise

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:35 PM

Another one:

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It was a sad day recently when a married menopausal woman learned that her recent Pap test was positive for human papilloma virus (HPV). “How could this happen?” she asked. “I have not had sex with anyone but my husband since we married 30 years ago.”
Over the past year, her husband had several trips overseas for weeks at the time. She suspected the positive HPV indicated he had been unfaithful, but when she asked him, he said, “Oh, it can be latent for a long time.”
I showed her my records from 2008 and 2009: Paps were HPV negative. Her newly positive HPV likely means her husband had had sex with an infected person during his travels. She broke down weeping.
HPV is an increasingly prevalent sexually transmitted disease that can hit women of all ages and increases the risk of invasive cervical cancer—another reason she was upset about becoming HPV positive. She now faced hard decisions. As she left, I felt sad watching her suffer with the impact of this news on her marriage.
This kind of painful situation happens daily in doctors’ offices. Such personal and private pain should remain between the patient, physician, and family.
My patients are horrified at the idea that such personal health information could be released to a government database, open to anyone with access to the system. But your privacy is another casualty of the damage caused by Obamacare’s new rules and regulations governing health professionals.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) recently released new federal regulation that requires private health insurancePosted Image companies to give health records of every person they insure to the government.
Although government jargon in the HHS rules distracts from their real goal, the end result is clear: government bureaucrats would have access to the health records from all private insurancePosted Image companies—including yours—whether you want them to or not.
Under the new rules, the Federal government will own and control your medical recordsPosted Image, without your permission. The government will be your new “overlord” controlling your medical information on federal computers in a federal database. You will no longer be able to control who sees your medical information.
The most personal aspects of your life are slated to be sent to Washington by your private insurancePosted Image carrier for all your medical visits. This provides individual medical data for the federally run Comparative Effectiveness Research coordinating panel of experts. This panel of government-appointed experts, copying the rationing approach in Britain, will decide what treatment is allowed for individuals, based on government criteria such as:
  • cost of treatment
  • effectiveness as determined by government experts
  • your “quality life years” remaining

Beyond privacy issues, there is major concern about safety of your medical information when hackers can penetrate even highly secure federal agency computers such as the Pentagon, VA, and Department of Defense. Hackers stole millions of medical records from the Veterans Administration, and patients were at risk for identity theftPosted Image.
David Blumenthal, M.D., the President’s former “health information czar,” admitted that “no infrastructure exists in most areas of the country for secure health information exchange among providers and between providers and consumers.”
Medical privacy? The Obama administration’s health czars seem more concerned about power and control over your medical care than protection of your private medical information.
In summary, the Obamacare “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” of 2010 and the “Stimulus Bill” of 2009 gave the federal government total control of very personal aspects of your life:
  • money that is currently in the private healthcare sector
  • your private personal and family health information
  • your access to timely medical care
  • the types of treatment you will be allowed to have, based on your age and value to society

If you value your privacy and freedom to choose your medical treatment, then you need to consider candidates in 2012 who vow to defund, dismantle, and repeal Obamacare. We need patient-centered reform that puts freedom back into our hands as our Founders intended. Ronald Reagan warned: Socialism begins with government control of medicine.

Link: http://www.aapsonlin...macare_casualty

And here's an even better one:

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I remember the days of black-and-white television. When color television sets became available, they were expensive and few could afford them. And few networks broadcast in color, since the audience was limited. At a certain point of supply and demand, sets became less expensive, and networks went all-in for color. The same phenomena occurred more recently with the move to high definition TV. And so it will go with private, high quality medical care.

Years ago I penned the Physicians’ Declaration of Independence, urging physicians laboring under increasingly abusive third party contracts to opt out, to allow them to return to the unfettered practice of medicine. Increasing numbers of physicians are opting out of Medicare, and few participate in Medicaid (full disclosure: as a nephrologist taking care of dialysis patients, I have not opted out of Medicare). Declining reimbursements and ever-greater paperwork and reporting requirements are driving this trend. To a certain extent, this is also happening in the private insurancePosted Image sphere, and for the same reasons. But what really limits physician opt out is the relatively small numbers of patients who are “self-pay.” With the implementation of Obamacare, these numbers are set to explode.

There are compelling reasons for patients to opt out of Obamacare, Medicaid, and even Medicare. The most important reason is poor access to high quality physicians. Few of these currently accept Medicaid patients, and more each day are declining to accept new Medicare patients. A large element of the Obamacare strategy is to expand Medicaid to families with incomes well above the poverty line. A silver lining in the otherwise horrendous Roberts court decision upholding Obamacare is the ability of states to refuse to expand Medicaid, and a large number have taken advantage of this.

The Wall Street Journal points out the idiocy of expanding what is arguably the worst health insurancePosted Image program in the nation (“Obamacaid,” October 8, 2013). “Private” insurance policiesPosted Image available under the Obamacare exchanges will strongly resemble Medicaid, with limited options and poor physician participation. And unless you qualify for subsidies, the premiums will be very high, especially if you are relatively young and healthy. You will be much better off shopping for a catastrophic coverage plan and paying for routine care yourself. Of course, since there is “guaranteed issue,” you will always be able to re-apply should you become severely ill.

While participation in Medicare Part A (hospital insurance) is linked to receiving Social Security benefits and is de facto obligatory, this is not the case for Parts B and D (doctors and drugs). Part C, Medicare Advantage, is being dramatically defunded under Obamacare. For seniors who are in reasonable health, it makes sense to opt out of Medicare Parts B and D, and to pay for your routine office visits and medications out of pocket. While the number of doctors accepting Medicare patients is shrinking, I don’t know of any doctors who will refuse to accept cash. For about what you would pay to have your car tuned up, or your hair styled, you can see a top physician. There are drug wholesalers where you will be able to get generic drugs at deep discounts, should you need them. In my experience, vast majorities of seniors are over-medicated, and should seek physicians who will try to decrease their medication burden.

Also remember that Medicaid and subsidized insurance is effectively a poverty trap, since you are penalized with loss of insurance for earning above a certain level.

Obamacare is turning out to be every bit of the disaster that many of us predicted it would be. Participation will be costly, exposes you to identity theftPosted Image and loss of confidentiality, and will limit your access to quality medical care. It is time for patients to declare independence from government health care. This will inspire more physicians to opt out, to meet the increased demand for private care.

Link: http://www.aapsonlin...le_care_opt_out


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:10 AM

View PostChrLzs, on 20 October 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

And boy, is this a mindset...  Here in Australia, we have long had a medical safety net system to ensure that low income earners are protected, just as we have disability benefits etc.  

One other thing Australia has is very strict Immigration controls. Some friends of mine were moving to Australia. They have 7 kids and the husband is a carpenter. Well, they almost couldn't go because one of the kids BMI was too high, and he failed the medical exam.

I suppose the Eden-like healthcare of Australia just does not want any new people with pre-existing conditions or health risks?

Maybe if the US was as fussy with those it wants to insure....

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:15 AM

View PostKowalski, on 21 October 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Another one:



Link: http://www.aapsonlin...macare_casualty

And here's an even better one:


Link: http://www.aapsonlin...le_care_opt_out

I tend to agree. Even if people get slightly better insurance, or slightly better coverage, if no one will see you, you'r still screwed. You'll end up with 3rd rate doctors, who probably barely passed their Residence who want to charge the patient, and go on vacation more then they want to treat the sick...
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:24 AM

For those who care....What Insurance really is:
Way back in the yesteryears...once upon a time...in a little covey hole of a pub in London...wealthy Englishmen would gather...one would say...You know Jack, I wish I could get some of my nails to The New World...I'd make a killing selling nails to those guys.  He would then walk up to the wall and write something like...1/2 a ton of nails to the New World.   Then, another wealthy Englishman would write under it...15 pounds for all...10 pounds for half.  The nail maker would then pay that Englishman 15 pounds.  If anything happened to the nails...ship sinking, pirates, whatever...he would get his 1/2 ton loss reimbursed.  It was a gamble.  One Englishman might tell the other after the nail man had left...'You know, he is going to send those nails on the Santa Maria...not really a great seaworthy ship anymore you know...hope it get's out of harbour...(slaps knee and laughs)'.  

The men would weigh the odds against this or that and place a wager of sorts on what ever....that little pub was known around town as Lloyds.
We know it now as Lloyds of London.  Insuring health is no different than insuring nails.  We will not insure the Santa Maria because it is filled with holes...but..if you want to ship it via the Greatest Ship of the Current Day...we will insure it for this much, and here is  a list of rates of insurance depending on what ship you do choose...under no circumstances however will we insure any merchandise on the Santa Maria....
Now, Obama wants to force Lloyds to insure not only the goods on the Santa Maria...but the Santa Maria herself...even though she has already sunk off the coast.
That isn't insurance my friends.  That is slimy, under the cover of darkness ROBBERY.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:43 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 22 October 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

I tend to agree. Even if people get slightly better insurance, or slightly better coverage, if no one will see you, you'r still screwed. You'll end up with 3rd rate doctors, who probably barely passed their Residence who want to charge the patient, and go on vacation more then they want to treat the sick...
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:17 PM

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Could the ObamaCare website be another step down the rabbit hole of "Big Data" -- massive data-collection on American citizens? Some cyber-security experts say yes.

In order to sign up for health insurance, the website HealthCare.gov requests enrollees to provide to the government PII -- personally identifiable information -- including date of birth, Social Security number and W-2 income information.

According to the website's privacy policy, that information is shared among many government agencies, including the IRS, Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security.

The purpose of sharing data is to verify an enrollee's income and immigration status. But David Kennedy, president of Internet security company TrustedSec, says it's another porthole for the government to find out more about the population.

"This is just another validation point that if the government has that information, they're going to use it or other purposes, not just for the actual medical field or for your health care benefits," Kennedy told Fox News.

It doesn't help that "source code" in the website's Terms and Conditions (which isn't on the main Terms and Conditions page) reads:

"You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system."

According to a recent AP/University of Chicago poll, 58 percent of people already think the government is doing a "poor" job at protecting their right to privacy. But another section of the source code sent an even more chilling message.

It says: "At any time, and for any lawful government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept, and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system."

Government snooping on the ObamaCare website certainly raises alarms. But Kennedy says even more concerning is that -- according to his research -- HealthCare.gov is riddled with holes in security.


Link: http://www.foxnews.c...macare-website/


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:29 PM

Please government, be in charge of my health! Please, please please!!! I can't do it on my own and I know you won't fail me.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:37 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 22 October 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

One other thing Australia has is very strict Immigration controls. Some friends of mine were moving to Australia. They have 7 kids and the husband is a carpenter. Well, they almost couldn't go because one of the kids BMI was too high, and he failed the medical exam.

I suppose the Eden-like healthcare of Australia just does not want any new people with pre-existing conditions or health risks?

Maybe if the US was as fussy with those it wants to insure....
Nah, it's just that our immigration system was set up by Mssrs Hitler, Stalin and Co and *enters into long rant about the current Prime Minister*

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostSilentHunter, on 21 October 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:





So a country starts with 500,000 poor people who need free healthcare.

When the healthcare comes in the tax payer and corporations have to pay for it. Thats shrinks the economy by driving up business operating costs which means they find it harder to compete in hard-bid markets. The end result is you now have 5,000,000 poor people.

Carry on with the lefty fantasies and you end up like the Soviets where nobody has two pennies to rub together. This is the end of the USA. Reagons fine work is being undone and the American GDP will now shrink because of it.

ROFL at "reagans fine work" let go of your reagonomics obsession you tired old Neocon.

I knew I shouldn't have come in here. Every single time these topics appear, they're always created by a person HIGHLY biased towards the right.
I'm admittedly leftwing, but I think both sides have had the soapbox long enough.
**** man i'd like to hear from the moderates for once. They're the ones who matter most.

I know this whole scare will blow over as well, Never ever a dull momemt with neocons on the topic of obama or obamacare.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

View Postprogressivegamer44, on 24 October 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

ROFL at "reagans fine work" let go of your reagonomics obsession you tired old Neocon.

I knew I shouldn't have come in here. Every single time these topics appear, they're always created by a person HIGHLY biased towards the right.
I'm admittedly leftwing, but I think both sides have had the soapbox long enough.
**** man i'd like to hear from the moderates for once. They're the ones who matter most.

I know this whole scare will blow over as well, Never ever a dull momemt with neocons on the topic of obama or obamacare.

Obamacare is a massiv,e outrageously expensive failure yet you refuse to comment on it beyond saying it is both sides fault.  Biased?  Look in the mirror you sanctimonious hypocrite. As far as moderates materring most why?  You mean teh people that are to wak to have an opinion are some how superior?  LMAO

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostMerc14, on 24 October 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

Obamacare is a massiv,e outrageously expensive failure yet you refuse to comment on it beyond saying it is both sides fault.  Biased?  Look in the mirror you sanctimonious hypocrite. As far as moderates materring most why?  You mean teh people that are to wak to have an opinion are some how superior?  LMAO

I'm a libertarian, but, I can tell you right now, that Obamacare is going to tank bad....It's a bad law, and it's unconstitutional....But it's the same law, Hillarycare, that tanked in 1993....All it helps is the rich fat cats in Wall Street.....


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 12:03 AM

View PostKowalski, on 24 October 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

I'm a libertarian, but, I can tell you right now, that Obamacare is going to tank bad....It's a bad law, and it's unconstitutional....But it's the same law, Hillarycare, that tanked in 1993....All it helps is the rich fat cats in Wall Street.....

I know they wasnt to go to single payer and had designed this thing to be untenable in the long run but the failures we are seeing now, I think, are unplanned and a result of democrat ignorance and corruption.  Afterall, only the most absurdly zealous left winger (we have one here, i know) would ask the government to take over completely when they had failed so miserably and completely right out the door with this plan.  5 years they have had to make this work and ir is an utter disaster that has wasted hundreds of millins of dollars.  Now they want to hold off on the individual mandate which takes even more money out of the system meaning even higher rates.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 12:37 AM

View PostMerc14, on 25 October 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

I know they wasnt to go to single payer and had designed this thing to be untenable in the long run but the failures we are seeing now, I think, are unplanned and a result of democrat ignorance and corruption.  Afterall, only the most absurdly zealous left winger (we have one here, i know) would ask the government to take over completely when they had failed so miserably and completely right out the door with this plan.  5 years they have had to make this work and ir is an utter disaster that has wasted hundreds of millins of dollars.  Now they want to hold off on the individual mandate which takes even more money out of the system meaning even higher rates.

If they can't handle this, I don't expect them to be able to handle a single payer system....I'm not opposed to a single payer system by any means, I just wonder if our government is capable enough to run it....





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