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Tomb of the Doctor of Pharohs found


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#1    jmccr8

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:39 AM

I just came across this article and hadn't seen it posted here and didn't know where else to put it.

    Dig unearths 4,000 year old tomb of doctor to pharaohs

This following link is to an article that is a year old but I thought I would add it as well as it is from the same period in ancient Egypt

   Pharaonic princess's tomb found near Cairo, Egypt (Update)

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:21 AM

An interesting find, jmccr8. It's always important when archaeologists can add to our understanding of medicine in ancient Egypt, especially in the Old Kingdom. I was looking for better photos of the inscriptions and found a slightly more detailed one here. I'll post the photo:

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I was hoping to find the mention of doctor (swnw or a variant), which is attested in the Old Kingdom, but I don't see it. I found the title of priest (Hm-nTr), as well as Courtier of the Palace (smr-praA). As with any nobleman, this guy racked up titles.

I found it odd that the article doesn't mention the tomb owner's name, but it's fairly obvious right there above the figure of the man with the black wig: Shepseskaf-Ankh. It's interesting that he's named for the last king of Dynasty 4, and it's not a name I've come across before. I'm pretty certain that's what it is, but the photos I've seen are not great so perhaps I'm misreading it.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:49 AM

Hi Kmt-sesh,

  Thanks for posting the picture, if I come across anymore about it I will add it.I scrolled down the page to some other links and found this one interesting as well,as it shows that even common people were buried the the Valley of the Kings.

  Almost 3,000-year-old tomb of female singer found in Egypt

   At the bottom of the page of this link there are a couple of other links that I will leave it to others to read rather than post them.They deal with embalming one is a brain drain bed and the other is about an embalming chamber.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:34 AM

In my trip to Egypt I remember visiting tombs of the wealthy, not pharoahs. These tombs had paintings on the walls that showed more about life in ancient Egypt. Much was these paintings showed the people collecting taxes and punishing tax evaders and so forth. Maybe these people had earned enough to pay for a tomb for themselves.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

Interesting find :tu:



eta, just realised updated links had been posted so removed mine

Edited by seeder, 24 October 2013 - 07:41 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 02:32 AM

View Postjmccr8, on 24 October 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Hi Kmt-sesh,

  Thanks for posting the picture, if I come across anymore about it I will add it.I scrolled down the page to some other links and found this one interesting as well,as it shows that even common people were buried the the Valley of the Kings.

  Almost 3,000-year-old tomb of female singer found in Egypt

   At the bottom of the page of this link there are a couple of other links that I will leave it to others to read rather than post them.They deal with embalming one is a brain drain bed and the other is about an embalming chamber.

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I certainly remember reading about this discovery. More than anything it's a clear reminder that the Valley of the Kings has not been played out—as people have been insisting for the past century. For that matter, the discovery of KV63 in recent years is very vivid evidence of how wrong that notion is.

The burial in your link is that of a temple woman dating to Dynasty 22. By this time, the Valley of the Kings had already been abandoned for a century or more (it was a New Kingdom royal burial ground, and was discontinued at the end of Dynasty 20). Just the same, as I recall, this woman's coffin proved to be an intrusive burial in an older, original tomb in the Valley. If I remember correctly (and I can't guarantee I'm right on this), the original minor tomb comprised a burial of a Dynasty 18 official.

But private people were permitted burial in the Valley, on occasion. The most famous example would be KV46, the tomb of Yuya and Tjuya. These were the parents of Tiye, the Great Wife of Amunhotep III, and hence the great-grandparents of Tutankhamun. But to be sure you had to be someone of high status (at least in the eyes of your king) to be permitted burial in the Valley during the New Kingdom. As for after the New Kingdom, as long as high officials weren't aware of it...eh, sure, help yourself. :w00t:

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 02:42 AM

A word on the word "pyramid." To be honest no one is certain of its etymology, although numerous theories exist. There's no real historical evidence that it means "fire in the middle." This comes more from modern shaky sources. It's altogether possible the word stems from a Greek term for a conical loaf of bread, or from something else in Greek material culture; not surprising, considering so much of the modern vocabulary describing ancient Egypt comes not from Egypt but from ancient Greece. To the victor go the spoils.

The ancient Egyptian word for pyramid was mr. Those two consonants are all that remain of the original word (the vowels are not known), and the etymology of mr itself is not understood. Spartan's quoted definition runs along the right lines but might be a bit askew (not The_Spartan's fault). In later times the usage of definite articles became more common in inscriptions, so there arose the term pA-mr ("the mr," or "the 'pyramid'"). If this is indeed the origin of our word "pyramid"—and I'm not claiming it is so—I for one can't explain where the "-id" suffix came from (pa-mr-id).

I think we can all agree, however, that the pyramids of ancient Egypt were not medical clinics.

That's the word.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:56 AM

something i found

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Obmer = tomb
O-O = tomb
O-O = posterity, heir
Wokha tebe = the base of the tomb
Ben ben = obelisk or pyramid
Ben ben = to well up, overflow (also found in Wolof), copulate

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Nu.t mer = a pyramid city or a town built up around pyramids
Mer.t -- beyond, on the other side (EWB 308a)
Mer -- to die, dead, death (314b)
Mer = tomb
Merti = dead
Per nheh = house of eternity
Per mer = the enclosure or base of the pyramid
Per Mer ="House of death"
Pa Merti = "The dead"

(Mt)
Met; Mut = death
Metu = man as begetter
Metut = posterity
Per met = house of regeneration/death/posterity

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

So they tell me


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:41 PM

That's cool! I wonder what else lies hidden under the sand...


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 07:10 PM

This is whole thread very interesting.

I find it amusing that after thousands of years the human race is increasingly going to pictographs to represent words and concepts.  The newest are the new pictographs going into effect on 2014 on Material Safety Data Sheets or MSDS.  Even that' being shortened to SDS.  Some of the pictographs are obvious, but others need a cation as if you don't know what the pictograph means, you can misinterpet it.  I know why this is being done, so it will be easier to ship products around the globe without having to have every language on the label.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:51 PM

I am willing to bet that there are amazing discoveries left to be had buried in the sand, maybe even some unexpected things as well. Exciting stuff.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:01 AM

Awesome find, it's cool how many tombs have not been found yet


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

The more we can learn about the past... The more we can grow in modern times... This is very interesting to me...


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:21 AM

Bet there's more to come under all that sand...

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