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#16    CyberKen

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

View Postacidhead, on 23 October 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

I tore up my knee years ago playing ice hockey when I was 20... my GP told me simple rehab was all that was needed even though the knee was twice the size and purple..... ten years later I waited 7 months to see a specialist who told me it should have been operated immediately after it was injured...... I was told the wait to have surgery would be minimum six months.   I then made an appointment with a cosmetic surgion who told me I could hop across the border into America and get it done right away for 4 grand........ in the mean time I was on a waiting list and if a surgery was cancelled I could get in without much notice..... I pondered going to American for weeks and then the call came and I got in after 3 months

Thank you for sharing that !

If i were a Canadian and it felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest, i would reach for that credit card and fly to Texas.

Then i would send many Thank You notes to the Medical Tourism company that helped save my life!


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

I remember the night of my car accident (broke both ankles, I was riding shotgun,) I was picked up by the ambulance, taken to the hospital for an overnight stay, x-rayed, casted and given a wheelchair. I left the next day without paying a dime. Suddenly, I was ok with being taxed...

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:11 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I remember the night of my car accident (broke both ankles, I was riding shotgun,) I was picked up by the ambulance, taken to the hospital for an overnight stay, x-rayed, casted and given a wheelchair. I left the next day without paying a dime. Suddenly, I was ok with being taxed...

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:15 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I remember the night of my car accident (broke both ankles, I was riding shotgun,) I was picked up by the ambulance, taken to the hospital for an overnight stay, x-rayed, casted and given a wheelchair. I left the next day without paying a dime. Suddenly, I was ok with being taxed...

That sounded pretty good right up to the point where you said "without paying a dime".

I heard a rumor that the Canadians have a TAX called a GST Tax ( Goods and Services Tax).

So nothing is free.  You paid through your GST.

Nice try though. :tu:

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:36 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 23 October 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Thank you for sharing that !

If i were a Canadian and it felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest, i would reach for that credit card and fly to Texas.

Then i would send many Thank You notes to the Medical Tourism company that helped save my life!
You're absolutely right, when my dad had his heart attack, the hospital just left him in a corridor to die.
And when I had my panic attack (looks and feels just like a heart attack kids!) the hospital told me they'd see me in six months,


Ohh wait.
No.
The other thing.

Dad was admitted, under surveillance and drugged to the gills within minutes.
I was under doctor's observation in ten minutes.

I didn't pay a red cent.
And neither did dad for his stay in hospital.
(the follow up cardiologist appointments for us both were expensive and we only got a third or so of that back).



We have medical tourism companies too.
They're used by people who lack patience or were told by their doctors they're not getting those buttocks implants, not by people with LIFE THREATENING problems.
This is Australia, we're backwards, we don't have a minister for science but we do have one for sport, but we do know how to look after people who might be dying (it's "elective" surgeries that we play silly buggers with).

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:47 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 23 October 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Well, i did a Google Search. It is what it is. Canada DOES have 15 Medical Tourism companies.

The Canadians have a choice:

- Wait 9 months for heart surgery

or

- Pick up the phone and call a Medical Tourism Company. They handle everything....the flight to Texas...hotel room..surgery....rehab.....

and the flight home to Canada.

That is the truth.

Well actually my Grandpa just had heart surgery. With in one week he was from diagnose to hospital surgery room. He's recovering fine, though gets a little tired from time to time. But hey he's 78. All done by OHIP. There are many lies and rumours out there for sure. I am not going to say that their are not wait times but it is do to Triage. The more severe get seen first and also the abuse of the Emergency room for something as simple as the common cold.

View PostCyberKen, on 23 October 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

That sounded pretty good right up to the point where you said "without paying a dime".

I heard a rumor that the Canadians have a TAX called a GST Tax ( Goods and Services Tax).

So nothing is free.  You paid through your GST.

Nice try though. :tu:

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We have provincial and Federal tax, GST (Federal) and PST (Provincial) Some places like ontario have the HST (this was brought in to get more tax money since some items didnt get taxed by GST and some didnt get PST but now everything in Ontario gets the HST. (13%).

But the fact that it is paid through taxes means that no out of pocket expense if incured for life saving surgery. Nor can the surgery be denied if it is life saving.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:15 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I remember the night of my car accident (broke both ankles, I was riding shotgun,) I was picked up by the ambulance, taken to the hospital for an overnight stay, x-rayed, casted and given a wheelchair. I left the next day without paying a dime. Suddenly, I was ok with being taxed...


That sounds horrible.  How is anyone supposed to make a profit on your misery?  Think of the children man.  I mean the executives children.  Those trust funds aren't going to fund themselves.

Edited by supervike, 23 October 2013 - 10:16 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:26 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 23 October 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I remember the night of my car accident (broke both ankles, I was riding shotgun,) I was picked up by the ambulance, taken to the hospital for an overnight stay, x-rayed, casted and given a wheelchair. I left the next day without paying a dime. Suddenly, I was ok with being taxed...
Should we pay your car insurance too since you're getting in accidents and needing help?

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:44 PM

View PostYamato, on 23 October 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Should we pay your car insurance too since you're getting in accidents and needing help?

How is that related to healthcare? You don't choose to get sick. You choose to drive.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:50 PM

View PostCyberKen, on 23 October 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Thank you for sharing that !

If i were a Canadian and it felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest, i would reach for that credit card and fly to Texas.

Then i would send many Thank You notes to the Medical Tourism company that helped save my life!

But is it not true that Canada spends far less on its medical care system than the US? The US has a big choice to make. Because of the aging population the system we had in place before will not work. It just is not possible unless we want to pay HUGE costs. Canada decided long ago to control costs- at the expense of time- hence the waiting lines. Now the US will have to make a choice, or be forced to make one. Either way it is going to happen. Obamacare IS a disaster, but what is the alternative? We cannot have our cake and eat it too. We need to figure out what to sacrifice and what to expand.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:24 AM

When progressives talk to me about the Nirvana of the Single Payer plan, I just tell them that it certainly will get fixed once a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican Congress. That usually shuts them up, as the ponder the horrors that a completely Republican government would do to their precious healthcare system.

I usually tell anyone who crows about one kind of law or another, that such legislation MUST be bipartisan, otherwise when the other guy gets into office don't be surprised when the things that YOU hate aren't forced through without your vote either.

I don't Hate the single payer system, I simply don't believe my government has the ability to run it well. I believe, and have for a long time now, way before this Obamacare website fiasco, that the government is totally incompetent when it comes to running anything, other then the military. People who run the military have tons of experience and training. People who run other Departments of the government are usually political appointees who load up the departments with their buddies and those who helped get them into power.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:05 PM

View PostEinsteinium, on 23 October 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

But is it not true that Canada spends far less on its medical care system than the US? The US has a big choice to make. Because of the aging population the system we had in place before will not work. It just is not possible unless we want to pay HUGE costs. Canada decided long ago to control costs- at the expense of time- hence the waiting lines. Now the US will have to make a choice, or be forced to make one. Either way it is going to happen. Obamacare IS a disaster, but what is the alternative? We cannot have our cake and eat it too. We need to figure out what to sacrifice and what to expand.

ObamaCare IS a disaster.

Solution: Get Rid of It

90% of Americans were satisfied with the old health care system.

Create a NEW Quick Fix to address the other 10%. Pre-existing Condition ? Okay, create a fix for that ONLY.

There is no reason to tip the entire U.S. Health Care system on its head.

Also, follow Texas and add Tort Reform.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:08 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 24 October 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

When progressives talk to me about the Nirvana of the Single Payer plan, I just tell them that it certainly will get fixed once a Republican gets into the White House with a Republican Congress. That usually shuts them up, as the ponder the horrors that a completely Republican government would do to their precious healthcare system.

I usually tell anyone who crows about one kind of law or another, that such legislation MUST be bipartisan, otherwise when the other guy gets into office don't be surprised when the things that YOU hate aren't forced through without your vote either.

I don't Hate the single payer system, I simply don't believe my government has the ability to run it well. I believe, and have for a long time now, way before this Obamacare website fiasco, that the government is totally incompetent when it comes to running anything, other then the military. People who run the military have tons of experience and training. People who run other Departments of the government are usually political appointees who load up the departments with their buddies and those who helped get them into power.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:44 PM

Why are we (Canadians,) always met with backlash when we discuss our health care system? :passifier:

View PostThanato, on 23 October 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

We have provincial and Federal tax, GST (Federal) and PST (Provincial) Some places like ontario have the HST (this was brought in to get more tax money since some items didnt get taxed by GST and some didnt get PST but now everything in Ontario gets the HST. (13%).

But the fact that it is paid through taxes means that no out of pocket expense if incured for life saving surgery. Nor can the surgery be denied if it is life saving.

Exactly. It's no secret that it is all paid for through taxes. Regardless, they will never turn you away at the door if you are in dire need of help. You may have to wait depending on the circumstances but that's a small price to pay, imho. There are some private practices you can pay for immediate service...so really, we have the best of both worlds.

Note also that although we pay higher taxes, our minimum wage is also much higher.

View PostYamato, on 23 October 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Should we pay your car insurance too since you're getting in accidents and needing help?

I don't see how that's applicable, unless of course you misread my story.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:52 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 24 October 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Why are we (Canadians,) always met with backlash when we discuss our health care system? :passifier:



Exactly. It's no secret that it is all paid for through taxes. Regardless, they will never turn you away at the door if you are in dire need of help. You may have to wait depending on the circumstances but that's a small price to pay, imho. There are some private practices you can pay for immediate service...so really, we have the best of both worlds.

Note also that although we pay higher taxes, our minimum wage is also much higher.



I don't see how that's applicable, unless of course you misread my story.

Canadians have a flawed Single Payer System that creates .........long........lines.

Canada was forced to create a Band-Aid solution: Medical Tourism





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