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#31    willowdreams

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:20 PM

i have not checked up on this online yet or read all the posts, but i will say this.

Yes, I feel sorry for the family, it is indeed sad, HOWEVER I feel sorry for the police as well. This is most likely not easy on them.

IF they told the child to drop the gun, then the gun should have been dropped. Are there bad cops? Yes, but I seriously doubt all cops are bad. We still call 911 when we need help for robberies and such.

The fact that they said to drop it and the child did not, makes me question why the child did not, usually if a child (yes child) is that unresponsive to police/authority, it is for a reason, usually they are not as good of a kid as we want to believe a 13 yr old should be.

I also put the blame on parents. When I was 13, MY family knew where my butt was. They also made sure that by the time I was that age, I knew better than to disobey police like that. Heck I once mouthed off to and adult and got a switching for it!

Parents need to be more in control. Children should never be excused for misbehavior. No 'oh buts'.. nope.. you do wrong, you get consequenses

I will say this. I wonder why the cops did not shoot the child in the shoulder, arm.. leg.. have backup behind the child to a point so child could be shot in the leg, when falling, cops on top of child.

Might have been bad, but not dead.

I would like to hear the rest of the story.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:37 PM

This additional info from the Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail...hit-ground.html
  • The cops say he had his back to them so they didn't know how young he was
So if his back was to them why did they open fire?
  • Witness says after he was on the ground the police continued to fire 6 more bullets into his body
If you're gonna put a bullet in some one I guess you better make sure you do it right


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

Local news station KRON 4 uploaded a picture of the toy rifle the the 13-year-old boy who was shot had compared with a real AK47


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:52 PM

Walking down the street carrying a replica AK47 with no orange tip.

As sad as it is, the kid was a victim of his own misfortune.

Now, as far as the only witness to come forward and claim the kid was shot an additional 6-7 times when on the floor, guess that can only be confirmed after the coroner releases his findings.

I'd reserve judgment till all the facts come out instead of jumping to conclusions.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:53 PM

To me this isn't about how real the gun looked, and it looked very real.  It's about whether the police followed proper steps before firing.  Obviously if his back was to them, as they apparently have stated they gave the warning to drop the gun and fired at the same time.  Additionally if his back was to them he could not have been pointing the rifle at them.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:55 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 24 October 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

    Local news station KRON 4 uploaded a picture of the toy rifle the the 13-year-old boy who was shot had compared with a real AK47


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Absolutely no way to tell that's a replica, even to a gun nut like me. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that was real.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 24 October 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Walking down the street carrying a replica AK47 with no orange tip.

As sad as it is, the kid was a victim of his own misfortune.

Now, as far as the only witness to come forward and claim the kid was shot an additional 6-7 times when on the floor, guess that can only be confirmed after the coroner releases his findings.

I'd reserve judgment till all the facts come out instead of jumping to conclusions.
Is that against the law?


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 24 October 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Is that against the law?

Carrying a replica assault rifle with no orange tip?

Does it matter if its legal or not?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:06 PM

Here's another news story on this... http://www.ktvu.com/...deputies/nbXW9/


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostOverSword, on 24 October 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

To me this isn't about how real the gun looked, and it looked very real.  It's about whether the police followed proper steps before firing.  Obviously if his back was to them, as they apparently have stated they gave the warning to drop the gun and fired at the same time.  Additionally if his back was to them he could not have been pointing the rifle at them.

Might want to read your own source before making assumptions.

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Police also revealed that Lopez had his back to the deputies, so they didn't realize he was so young. He was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and shorts.

They claim Lopez was about 20 to 30 feet from them when he turned with the barrel of the gun pointing toward them and they opened fire because they feared for their lives.

‘The deputy then fired several rounds from his service weapon at the subject,’ said Santa Rosa Police Lt. Paul Henry, ‘striking him at least one time. The subject immediately fell to the ground.’

'The deputy's mindset was that he was fearful that he was going to be shot



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:09 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 24 October 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:



Carrying a replica assault rifle with no orange tip?

Does it matter if its legal or not?

Is carrying a real assault rifle against the law?  Why does carrying a gun automatically mean that you can be shot by law enforcement whether or not you are breaking the law? Surely law enforcement should care about the law


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:09 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 24 October 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:


Is that against the law?

Yes.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:13 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 24 October 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

Is carrying a real assault rifle against the law?  Why does carrying a gun automatically mean that you can be shot by law enforcement whether or not you are breaking the law? Surely law enforcement should care about the law

In California?  Walking down the street?

Yes!

Read the article both rashore and oversword posted.

The report said, the kid turned and faced the officers gun pointed at them.  If that is the case then the LEO had every right to fire.

Now, does this mean that just because its on the report it must be true? No it does not.  Does this mean the officers had the right to continually fire on someone who was already on the ground?  No it does not.

At this point, I am reserving judgment.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostOverSword, on 24 October 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:



If you're gonna put a bullet in some one I guess you better make sure you do it right

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:24 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 24 October 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

Carrying a replica assault rifle with no orange tip?

Does it matter if its legal or not?

in some states it is legal to carry real assault rifles.

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