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#1    qxcontinuum

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:00 PM

I can't help noticing by reading numerous threads on the forum that numerous respectable Ufologists tent to associate UFO's with Aliens and their sightings to out of space origins.

I don't understand why ...

First of all in the beginning I must analyze the wording itself UFO - Unidentified Flying Object... Therefore the science studying their behaviors, existence,  sightings , claims, etc..should take in consideration all the aspects of it including Human or Technological origins, crafts nature phenomenons, etc...But... it doesn't !

Apparently a huge majority of Ufologists if not all of them are leaving from the premises that UFO apparition is something cosmological, Alien in origins and denying the human or nature factor at all cost. This is wrong, I have however all the respect and admiration for enthusiasts transpiring while trying to prove believes or what they want to  call facts but I would call it more an obsession rather then a science or profession. It is more like Alchemy


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:04 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 24 October 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

I can't help noticing by reading numerous threads on the forum that numerous respectable Ufologists tent to associate UFO's with Aliens and their sightings to out of space origins.



A definition of an organic intelligence comparable or more advanced than us would naturally be the word 'alien'.

I have conjectured recently (and with good reasons which if you press me I will explain), that some of the unexplained craft witnessed may actually be resident here.  

They are still 'alien' to us however.

If you are trying to make out that all sightings are either misidentifications or hoaxes, then I would strongly disagree with you.  A good proportion of them are undoubtedly real.

Edited by zoser, 24 October 2013 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:07 PM

View Postzoser, on 24 October 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

If you are trying to make out that all sightings are either misidentifications or hoaxes, then I would strongly disagree with you.  A good proportion of them are undoubtedly real.

In my opinion and based on what i saw online + read only 3% are truly unexplained and cannot be associated to human technology that we know off or nature phenomenons.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:08 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 24 October 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

First of all in the beginning I must analyze the wording itself UFO - Unidentified Flying Object... Therefore the science studying their behaviors, existence,  sightings , claims, etc..should take in consideration all the aspects of it including Human or Technological origins, crafts nature phenomenons, etc...But... it doesn't !


Sure it does. You're starting a thread off with lies. That doesn't help whatever case you're trying to make.

Edited by Sweetpumper, 24 October 2013 - 04:22 PM.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:19 PM

I've long thought that the UFO phenomenon may be somehow intrinsic to Earth of course this line of enquiry is nothing new Ufology luminaries such as Jacques Valle and John Keel have hypothesised that these pheonmeoma may be latent to this planet or human consciousness itself so no extra terrestrial hypothesis is necessarily required. It would perhaps explain why these objects have a vested interest in this world yet choose to remain unannounced.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:23 PM

I think it is truly just because people want / need to believe in something. It is in our nature genetically I would say the need to be challenged  by mystery. We are living in a highly technological sophisticated era therefore it is becoming increasingly hard to be surprised by something anymore or to believe in God. Even more when spotting our own wonders and miracles we are tending to attribute these to mystical...


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 24 October 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

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First of all in the beginning I must analyze the wording itself UFO - Unidentified Flying Object... Therefore the science studying their behaviors, existence,  sightings , claims, etc..should take in consideration all the aspects of it including Human or Technological origins, crafts nature phenomenons, etc...But... it doesn't !



The vast majority of human objects are easily identifiable.

Chinese lanterns, Blimps, Planes, Helicopters, Kites, Balloons, Rockets, Drones

Then natural phenomena slightly more difficult perhaps: Sprites, Venus, Clouds, Ball Lightning, etc.

The objects that I see and classify as UFO's are none of the above.

So bearing in mind the above list then what on earth is this?



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:30 PM

The UFO pheonmeoma may be altogether stranger than the somewhat prosaic alien visitors traversing interstellar space (which I certainly don't discount as a possibility) but if we are to look at the history of UFO sightings from the mysterious airships of the late 19th century, ghost rockets in the 30s, the flying disks seen by Kenneth Arnold, to cigar shaped crafts with porthole windows to the ambiguous black triangles it points to something all together more unusual in my opinion than mere extra terrestrial tourists surveying the planet (which they seem to have been doing for an awfully long time).

Edited by aimlesswalk, 24 October 2013 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:40 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 24 October 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

I think it is truly just because people want / need to believe in something. It is in our nature genetically I would say the need to be challenged  by mystery. We are living in a highly technological sophisticated era therefore it is becoming increasingly hard to be surprised by something anymore or to believe in God. Even more when spotting our own wonders and miracles we are tending to attribute these to mystical...

That could well be and it's a good explanation as any that the history of ufology is nothing more than hoaxes, misguidedness, mass hysteria or apophenia all part of some deep psychological impulse to believe in something greater than ourselves but ultimately even this doesn't fully convince but is the closest to a satisfactory explanation that can be reached without entertaining the more fantastical suppositions.

Edited by aimlesswalk, 24 October 2013 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:04 PM

View Postaimlesswalk, on 24 October 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

That could well be and it's a good explanation as any that the history of ufology is nothing more than hoaxes, misguidedness, mass hysteria or apophenia all part of some deep psychological impulse to believe in something greater than ourselves but ultimately even this doesn't fully convince but is the closest to a satisfactory explanation that can be reached without entertaining the more fantastical suppositions.

Why fantastic?  Is anyone really prepared to state that we are the only ones around?  Not a likely thought imho.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:14 PM

View Postzoser, on 24 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Why fantastic?  Is anyone really prepared to state that we are the only ones around?  Not a likely thought imho.

I is proven that we are alone in our solar system. I doubt we are the only life existent in universe tho. However it seems unlikely civilizations located thou sent of light years away can visit each other. Universal physics is making it impossible. Every organic matter will be squashed in uncontrollably higher speeds required to do so...
Bending distances in universe through the black hole concept "warm holes" is a nice supposition but everyone comes to the conclusion that is Sci - Fi only.

Edited by qxcontinuum, 24 October 2013 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 24 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Why fantastic?  Is anyone really prepared to state that we are the only ones around?  Not a likely thought imho.

I don't doubt that there could possibly be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe but I feel we're sometimes quick to make this assumption in relation to the UFO pheonmeoma when the explanation could be much more surprising and novel.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 24 October 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

I is proven that we are alone in our solar system. I doubt we are the only life existent in universe tho. However it seems unlikely civilizations located thou sent of light years away can visit each other. Universal physics is making it impossible. Every organic matter will be squashed in uncontrollably higher speeds required to do so...
Bending distances in universe through the black hole concept "warm holes" is a nice supposition but everyone comes to the conclusion that is Sci - Fi only.

Or then again maybe not:

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

Here is what dear old Morag saw in Fraserburgh (Scotland) in 2012:



Compare with what two boys saw in Denbigh (Wales) in the same year:



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:31 PM

I reckon it's the same object.  One high up in the sky in Fraserburgh and one possibly landed in a field at the back of the boys house.

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