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I was healed by a ghost...and there's a photo


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#16    JesseCuster

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:45 AM

View PostBrian Topp, on 27 October 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Typical stories are.
1. "I was a sleep and i woke up and i saw" = You most likely they had just dreamt it or they were half a sleep when they think they saw it.
2. "I didn't sleep for two days and I saw" = sleep deprived. halucinate.
3. "My friend told me this video/photo and it is an eye opener" = They didn't see it, they only believed their friend who is just pulling their leg or they just making it up.
4. "I have this superpower!" = Yet refuse to prove it because they can't do what they claim.
5. "Any one give me your opinion on" = 9 out of 10 threads ends up with the original person telling a story and just want positive reinforcement and not asking for opinions.
6. "My dead relative/friend called me" = Amazing story yet they never tell us what the phone number was under. Most likely it is a automated telemarketer who auto dials
7. "I hear ghosts talking to me on the phone" = Most likely a crossed/poor signals or just a defective/cheap phone or terrible phone service.
8. "i caught it on my phone"  =ends up a ghost app where a picture is inserted.
9. "I caught it on camera" = Most normally it's dust reflecting  from the flash being close to the camera lens or flash turned off.

its endless
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10. "I have this amazing photo/video of a ghost but I don't know how to upload it to the Internet from my iPhone despite several different methods being explained to me by the forum members / it's on my friends phone and they're currently serving onboard a nuclear submarine in the Arctic ocean for the next six months so I can't upload it." = I made it up.

Re: No. 2 - there was a thread here recently if I recall correctly where someone described the things they saw after being awake for up to 48 hours but denied it could be sleep derivation hallucinations because staying awake for 48 hours because of game playing binges was normal behaviour for them. That's like saying you didn't crash your car because you were drunk because you regularly drive while drunk and haven't crashed before.

Edited by JesseCuster, 28 October 2013 - 12:50 AM.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:54 AM

View PostSheWomanCatTypeThing, on 27 October 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

By the same token, Discount those things, Some people do see things they / you can't explain. I'm someone who believes in ghosts and have experienced things i can't explain, Even though i'm pretty level headed and have tried to explain them away, I wouldn't expect you to believe me just as i haven't believed others, Unless i've seen something myself i won't believe them, I just know what i've experienced without the help of drugs, Mental breakdowns etc. We are all different and I dont believe this pic is genuine for one minute. Thats not to say ghosts don't exist at all and anyone who claims to have seen one is mentally ill etc. I think its just one of those those things that will never be proven either way. And if it is ever proven ghosts do/don't exist, What do we move on to then? But yeah, Thats not a ghost.

Belief for belief's sake is fine.  Most believers won't cop to that though.  Some try to push dodgy evidence and pseudo-science as fact.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:40 AM

View PostJesseCuster, on 28 October 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Re: No. 2 - there was a thread here recently if I recall correctly where someone described the things they saw after being awake for up to 48 hours but denied it could be sleep derivation hallucinations because staying awake for 48 hours because of game playing binges was normal behaviour for them. That's like saying you didn't crash your car because you were drunk because you regularly drive while drunk and haven't crashed before.

There has been around seven other threads with the same story.

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:44 AM

I once rode a double century (200 miles in a day) in 90 degree heat.  By the end of the ride the frame of the bicycle ahead of me was wiggling like it was made of rubber.  Of course it really wasn't but my brain sure thought it was.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:29 AM

View Postsinewave, on 28 October 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

I once rode a double century (200 miles in a day) in 90 degree heat.  By the end of the ride the frame of the bicycle ahead of me was wiggling like it was made of rubber.  Of course it really wasn't but my brain sure thought it was.
I have long suffered from insomnia and have worked shift work on and off.  It has ****ed with my head at the best of times.  Hallucinations at odd hours were (and are) common enough occurrences that I didn't (and don't) think strange of them.

I worked a few years on 12 hour night-shifts.  I regularly fell asleep at work on the job.  When it's 4am and you've been on the job for 8 hours with 4 hours to go and your job is to supervise an industrial oven where the ambient temperature hits 40-50c even at night during the winter, it's hard to keep your mind on the job and stay awake.  I was awoken by anyone from my immediate supervisor to the factory manager on a regular basis.  Hallucinations in my experience were not unknown at 4am when your working those kind of hours and sleeping those kind of hours and you're struggling to stay awake in the work canteen at 5am during your tea break.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:41 AM

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I have long suffered from insomnia and have worked shift work on and off.  It has ****ed with my head at the best of times.  Hallucinations at odd hours were (and are) common enough occurrences that I didn't (and don't) think strange of them.

I worked a few years on 12 hour night-shifts.  I regularly fell asleep at work on the job.  When it's 4am and you've been on the job for 8 hours with 4 hours to go and your job is to supervise an industrial oven where the ambient temperature hits 40-50c even at night during the winter, it's hard to keep your mind on the job and stay awake.  I was awoken by anyone from my immediate supervisor to the factory manager on a regular basis.  Hallucinations in my experience were not unknown at 4am when your working those kind of hours and sleeping those kind of hours and you're struggling to stay awake in the work canteen at 5am during your tea break.

Yeah, sleep deprivation is bad.  I've seen some stuff under stress too.  Things moving, people who are not there.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:46 AM

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I have long suffered from insomnia and have worked shift work on and off.  It has ****ed with my head at the best of times.  Hallucinations at odd hours were (and are) common enough occurrences that I didn't (and don't) think strange of them.

I worked a few years on 12 hour night-shifts.  I regularly fell asleep at work on the job.  When it's 4am and you've been on the job for 8 hours with 4 hours to go and your job is to supervise an industrial oven where the ambient temperature hits 40-50c even at night during the winter, it's hard to keep your mind on the job and stay awake.  I was awoken by anyone from my immediate supervisor to the factory manager on a regular basis.  Hallucinations in my experience were not unknown at 4am when your working those kind of hours and sleeping those kind of hours and you're struggling to stay awake in the work canteen at 5am during your tea break.

Last year during the christmas holidays, I worked 60 to 70 hours per week. One week I worked 8am to 4am, come back the next day at 8am to do the same shift for four days straight. The store always got trashed and we were all told (policy meant to be asked) to say. On the last day of my fourth day, I was complaining to my manager that there still customers in the store. He looked around and say "where?". When I had arrived to the store the next day at 10am, a district manager came in and heard an assoicate talk about me "Going mental" and he looked at the schedule and sent us home.

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:37 PM

But I don't even see anything resembling a person behind her.  All I see is a blob.  Could be a person, could be a lot of things.  I know that when I saw a ghost, it was clear as a bell to me.  I thought he was a living human, until he just blinked out.  That and he moved as though there was a strong wind pushing at him and it was the middle of summer and there was no wind, kind of clinched it.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:16 PM

Imagine this if you will, you're feeling totally fine, totally normal, sitting reading alone, and suddenly a voice says :

“Please don't be afraid. I know it must be shocking for you to hear me speaking to you like this, but this is the easiest way I could think of. My friend and I used to work at the Children's Hospital, Great Ormond Street, and we would like to help you.”

Understandably TOTALLY freaked about hearing voices and seeing nobody, she heard it again at other times, until eventually she was told to have a brain scan, which she arranged, and they found a brain tumor and brain stem inflammation... which had never been diagnosed or suspected!!

and I quote another snippet:

The voices came back.

This time, they told her that she needed immediate medical care, and should return to England right away. She returned, and the voices gave her an address to go to; her husband was good enough to humor her, and actually took her to the address just for reassurance. It may not have been that reassuring when it turned out to be the CAT-scanning department of a large London hospital, and that as she arrived, the voices told her to go in and have a brain CAT scan.... [The voices] informed A.B. that she had a brain tumor.

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The surgeon suggested an immediate operation to remove the tumour, a decision the voices agreed with. ‘They said they would have preferred the operation to be done at the National Hospital, Queen Square, London, because they specialised in neurological diseases. But because she was already at the Royal Free Hospital, they told her to have the procedure done there because it was urgent,’ Dr Azuonye says.

After the operation, and when the woman had recovered consciousness, the voices returned one last time, to bid her farewell. ‘We are pleased to have helped you,’ they said, before bidding her goodbye. ‘It is a miracle,’ says Dr Azuonye. ‘The patient regards herself as being helped by a guardian angel.’

Read the whole interesting story
http://michaelpresco...ll_in_your.html

another version
http://www.neatorama...madness/#!mW8OB

And the story was in the British Medical Journal so its a serious story
http://www.bmj.com/c...t/315/7123/1685


So Ghosts? Guardian spirits? or insightful hallucinations?  You decide :tu:

eta: A full discussion on this woman with more links

http://www.abovetops...thread913875/pg



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Edited by seeder, 28 October 2013 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:26 PM

That would be a spirit, and I suppose it's possible that she heard a spirit, but more possible she somehow knew that she had a brain tumor and the "voice" confirmed it.  I do think the lady truly believed in a spirit telling her that she had a brain tumor and that she followed through on what she was told.  That is the important part of the story for me.  She got better.  I only heard a disembodied voice once, when I was 7 and my Mom and I were at the cemetery after my Dad was buried.  We both heard his voice saying his nickname for her clearly two times.  He sounded very sad and alone.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM

Pareidolia. Outside light, that's all. You can see the light on the floor as well.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:33 PM

In the OP article there is this photo, and one thing I will never understand is why ghosts wear clothes. Clothes dont die do they, the person does. Yet ghostly apparitions are always clothed..

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

I can see what "could be" a person wearing a bonnet, facing away from the camera.  But it is nothing clear for certain and it isn't exactly leaning over the woman or facing in her direction to me.  What "could be" a face on the apparition could just as well be curls coming out of the back part of the bonnet.  Or something completely different.  Now, if you look toward the left, behind the pew right beside the flower bouquets, it looks like a photograph of a man's face.  Or nothing at all.    Pareloia, as the ancient astronaut said.

Seeder, I don't know why they are always clothed.  Maybe they maintain their modesty when they go beyond the veil.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 08:10 PM

I expect in all seriousness, its no ghost. Just a woman who came in and sat down for whatever reason. We only have their word, dont we, that she wasn't there at all?   And I have troubles remembering what I did or who I saw just 1 month ago, and they didn't get the film developed for six months?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:08 PM

Having read some, but not all, of this thread I can say this with all certainty:

The "placebo effect" is a powerful, yet poorly understood phenomenon.

It's reproducible, to be sure(it's a medically recognized event), but for some reason does not occur in some individuals to any statistically significant degree. Yet for other's it is VERY significant.

Some aspects are "somewhat" understood(such as a release of endorphins), but other aspects of the "placebo effect" remains unknown, especially with respect to biological healing without standard explanation.





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