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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 06 November 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I do not care what that guy says, because one does not have to be a crime scene investigator to see that nail is too short )see my pics.)
The nail is 4.53 inches long.I don't see why it couldn't be possible for his heels to be nailed separately on the sides of the upright,as modern scholars suggest.
What do you make of the inscription on the ossuary? Could it be related to crucifixion,as Prof. Yadin theorizes?http://www.jstor.org...=21102890280001
Any way you look at it,the majority of scholars educated in this area,agree that this man was crucified with his feet nailed to a "tree".
I'll admit,people should not be immovable in this subject.But for myself,it will take more convincing than just "see my pics" or "watch the video" to go against the mainstream scholarly view.
The archaeological evidence is there.The textual evidence is there.All showing that the Romans varied in their crucifixion methods.Nails,ropes,single stakes,crossbeams,etc.
Why then would you not consider the crucifixion,as described in the Gospels,to not be a possibility?

View Postdavros of skaro, on 06 November 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Did you see the first video in the first post?
I did.Lots of pics of coins,words flying by,and some nice background music.
Is there one point in particular?

View Postdavros of skaro, on 06 November 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Can you find a picture that covers more area of the wall?
I'll see what I can do.(bit of a madhouse right now)

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 29 October 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

The great Comet of 44 BCE was seen as Julius Caesar's soul among the Gods.Octavian the grand nephew of Caesar,adopted son,and heir to his title became son of a God.

Augustus Caesar as Pontifex Maximus (Pope) started the Imperial Cult,and the Cult of Comet for the worship of the Deified Caesar.

Why do we not worship Caesar today? Watch the video,and feel free to comment.



Wiki for base reference


http://en.wikipedia....iki/Divi_filius
http://en.wikipedia....emple_of_Caesar
http://en.wikipedia....sar's_Comet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho
http://en.wikipedia....emple_of_Caesar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropaion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor
http://en.wikipedia....i/Flamen_Dialis

That was a pretty crappy video.  While it only had few minor errors in what it said, basically all it consisted of was information on Caesar followed by a bunch of pictures that tried to imply that all figures of three lines intersecting must be related.  Apparently such a simple symbol was deemed by the creator of the video as to complex for independent creation, which is just ridiculous. (And the Chi Rho has an obvious source of its creation--the letters Chi (X) and Rho (P).

View Postdavros of skaro, on 29 October 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

The video I posted is backed by historical documentation, and physical proof.

You present Hollywood fiction.

Sorta ironic considering the video had random movies depicted in it, including Indiana Jones and the Titanic.

View Postdavros of skaro, on 31 October 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Caesar claimed lineage to his celestial mother the Goddess of love Venus (aka Morning
Star.)

But Venus wasn't Caesar's mother, she was (supposedly) his great great great great great (etc.) grandmother. The gen Iulia traced its lineage back a supposed namesake, Ascanius, son of Aeneas, who was sometimes also called Iulus.  Apparently this was close enough to Iulius for them to go ahead and claim him as an ancestor, and therefore also Aeneas and his mother, Venus (Aphrodite). Certainly Caesar and his successors loved to promote this idea, but how believable it was to others is unknown.

And of course Caesar and Augustus also promoted the idea of descent from Mars, as Rhea Silva was, according to mythology, of the line of Ascanius. You've made a very weak connection between Venus and Jesus, but what's Jesus' connection to Mars?

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The Senate named Caesar dictator perpetuo ("dictator in perpetuity"). Roman mints
produced a denarius coin with this title and his profile on one side, and with an image
of the goddess Ceres and Caesar's title of Augur Pontifex Maximus on the reverse. While
minting the title of dictator was not controversial, Caesar's image was, as it was
unusual to feature living consuls and other public officials on coins during the Republic.

More correctly, Caesar bought the Senate and compelled them to declare him dictator in perpetuo, which was ultimately his downfall.  People were sorta okay with him being reappointed dictator each year, but dictator in perpetuo was seen as essentially the same as being king except for the title. And Romans really, really hated the idea of kings.

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Coins of Divi Filius Son of God.

Let's be clear, Augustus never claimed to be the son of god, he claimed to be the son of a man who achieved apotheosis upon his death. And note that Divus isn't quite the same as being a Deus

View Postdavros of skaro, on 01 November 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:


Awesome.I did not know that Hadrian's letter to Servianus was part of the collection called "Augustan History", and that it's authenticity is in dispute.However Chirist Greek for Kristos (anointed, or wetted with oil) is not exclusive to Jesus Christ, and there were a multitude of cults going back to antiquity.

I know P.A. is limited by phone bandwith, but you might be interested in the challenge I offered him for it's open to anybody.

The Augustan History is certainly suspect, but plenty of it is perfectly accurate.  The letter to Servianus is now widely accepted as fake due to the many basic errors its writer makes about Hadrian and Servianus. You can find a good discussion of its many errors here: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

As for your claim about Christos (not Kristos, the first letter is Chi), it was indeed used for other people (mainly kings), but I don't really buy the claim that is was used by main cults. Any evidence for that?

View Postdavros of skaro, on 04 November 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:


Pompeii is an ideal place to look for clues, because the time capsule nature of the place.Anyone going there
has a chance to look for symbology most tourists will overlook.The play on words of the graffiti texts is interesting, but I have looked myself into the texts, and I find no concrete answer due to several factors including my own linguistic limitations.


I think it's a bit irresponsible to use textual evidence for which you yourself admit to not having the skills to properly understand. But let me help you with the "In Croce Figarus" text. "In Croce" is straightforward, it means "on/onto a cross". "Figarus" is a bit more difficult, but it clearly comes from the verb "figo" meaning "to fix, affix, fasten, drive or thrust in". The form specifically appears to be a variant on the subjunctive form, which is normally "figar", So we might then translate is as "may he be affixed onto a cross"--a clear reference crucifixion.

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According to Franseco Carotta;Crucify replaced the homophones translation of Latin "cremo" cremate,Greek kremo "to hang"(impale).For example Caesar was cremated (cremo),and a wax effigy was hanged (kremo) on a Tropaion.


I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say here, but let me make a few notes. First, "kremo" was not a Greek word; you're looking for "kremannumi" (an athematic verb) which was sometimes used as a thematic verb, with attested forms such as "kremuo", "kremao", "kremnao", and even "kremoo", but not "kremo". And the word did indeed mean "to hang, susped" but per the LSJ it did not have the sense of "to impale".

Also note that the Latin for "to crucify" was "crucio". It's etymology is clearly a derivation from the word "crux", a cross. It is unrelated to "cremo" and certainly did not replace "cremo",



View PostParanoid Android, on 31 October 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

They are still two narratives unrelated to one another that appear similar if you stretch some random facts to appear similar


Is it just me or does it seem that people obsessed with one conspiracy theory or another is compelled to copy-paste their alleged evidence over and over, as if anyone reading it will shout "Hallelujah, you've really figured it out".

An astute observation. I see nutters all the time pasting walls of text for various theories. It's a most curious practice.

View PostThe Gremlin, on 31 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Caesar was voted posthumous divine honours. Demetrius poliorcetes was voted divine honours whilst he was alive. Lysander was another, there are more, including Alexander and his father Phil. Both who had divine honours awarded during their lives. More than anyone it is likely that Alexander paved the way for peoples acceptance of the concept in the Greek and Roman world

Just to clarify this a bit, it was a Greek custom to deify kings while they were alive. Romans did not do this, but always waited until they were dead. Take for example Augustus. The Romans worshipped his father, not him, while the Greeks at the same time worshipped Augustus himself.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:40 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 06 November 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

The Santa factor is what I would call it, is what's running secular scholarship in Jesus
studies today.Just like a parent telling their child the truth about Santa, but telling
them not to discuss this revelation to his, or her classmates (let them find out for  themselves
So secular historians in New Testament studies are keeping their mouths shut on the truth so they can let the rest of us work it out on our own. That has to be the most absurd claim I've ever seen from you. Even non-Christian scholars in this field almost universally accept the historicity of Jesus.


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themselves.) Time, and time again I hear from Christians that Jesus is the most
documented person in history, but they have apologists like Eusebius to thank.

"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful
first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."

Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.

Once one does the scrutiny of lifting up the veil on Jesus one will find his origins in;

Platonic philosophy (Greek morals/virtues)

Hellenistic Judaism (i.e. Ascension of Isaiah, and other Messianic tie ins)

Philo's Logos (He may not be the origin of this Archangel mediator for God concept)

Pagan culture (Many Sons of Gods that have a struggle)

Gnosticism (i.e. Jesus tells his disciples that his parables have a deeper meaning)

Jesus is a celestial deity that was never on Earth, but later went thru Euhemerism, and
placed on Earth to bring in more believers.

Some indeed argue the story of Jesus includes many elements of different myths. However, that is a far cry from saying "Jesus is a copy of *insert whatever name here*". And it's an even a farther cry to denying that there was a Jesus who began a movement later known as Christianity.

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Remember that consensus does not include Civil War historians for instance, and implies
a small percentage of the total, which are mostly theologians to begin with.


http://www.jesuspuzz...s.net/jhcjp.htm
Yes, I'm aware I'm not including all historians in my claims but rather those who specialise in the Ancient Near East. But it's the last refuge of the desperate to say that most of them are theologians. Sorry, that's total crap. Academic study of the New Testament is not glorified apologetics. Any claim otherwise is false - not necessarily intentionally false, but false nonetheless.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:23 PM

Everdred, your assertions about Greek and Roman 'traditions' of apotheosis are false, I don't know where you got your evidence to make such an assertion.
Philip of Macedon (alexander the great's dad) was the first to take (or be awarded) divine honours; by his late date in Greek culture it can hardly be considered tradition.
A number of men followed, but they were exceptional to say the least, it was not a common thing.
Among the Romans it was also far from traditiont: the idea was as offensive to them as it was to the common Greek or Macedonian. Rule over alien cultures, and the Hellenic world made it possible, and a necessary step politically.
Augustus was worshiped whilst still alive throughout the empire, the imperial cult continued until succeeded by Christianity. Considering it un-roman, Augustus himself discouraged the practice on Rome, but tolerated it.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostHeru, on 06 November 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Apples and oranges bud.
Your talking about worthless stuff here.
And im talking about what 5h*7 means over there.
Who cares if he was alive or not. Either way it doesn't affect the message non.  The Occult should remain the Occult. The sooner the masses forget about spiritual texts and all the religions/cults that popped up from it either disappear or return to the old ways the better. Specially before it becomes more muddled with stuff like Caesar = Jesus.

Why not get all parallelomania just like 5h*tgeist? Besides some people do not know what a wall of text is. LOL!
I will give a trait of Jesus, and show a looney tunes parallel related to Caesar, or the ancient Roman Empire.
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Mark 6:7 Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over eil spirits.
I do not know how Caesar relates to the 12 signs of the Zodiac, but he did solidify, or made more stable the twelve months of the year.

http://en.wikipedia....Julian_calendar

Introduced the Julian calendar that long story short stopped political corruption by priests that at the time was called "confusion among the people" with the older system of floating days.According to Plutarch,Julius called in the best philosophers,and mathematicians of his time to solve the problem of the unstable calendar the Julian replaces.A century later,when Pliny dated the winter solstice to the 25th of December,because the sun entered the 8th degree of Capricorn on that date,this stability had become an ordinary fact of life.

The Romans borrowed, and mutated the Greek religion, and other stuff as well down the line (wink wink.) The Twelve Olympians are the head pantheon of Greek/Roman Gods.

http://en.wikipedia....welve_Olympians

Lictors were messengers, and bodyguards for ancient Roman heads of state which had assigned 12 each.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor
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Mark 7:15 "Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him.Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean' ."

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html
9 Of his indifference in regard to his diet the following circumstance also is brought in proof. When the host who was entertaining him in Mediolanum, Valerius Leo, served up asparagus dressed with myrrh instead of olive oil, Caesar ate of it without ado, and rebuked his friends when they showed displeasure. 10 "Surely," said he, "it were enough not to eat what you don't like; but he who finds fault with ill-breeding like this is ill-bred himself."
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Mark 6:38 "How many loaves do you have?"

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html
39 1 After this, Antony put in from Brundisium with his forces, and Caesar was emboldened to challenge Pompey to battle. Pompey was well posted and drew ample supplies both from land and sea; while Caesar had no great abundance at first, and afterwards was actually hard pressed for want of provisions. 2 But his soldiers dug up a certain root, mixed it with milk, and ate it.70 Once, too, they made loaves of it, and running up to the enemy's outposts, threw the loaves inside or tossed them to one another, adding by way of comment that as long as the earth produced such roots, they would not stop besieging Pompey. 3 Pompey, however, would not allow either the loaves or these words to reach the main body of his army. For his soldiers were dejected, fearing the ferocity and hardiness of their enemies, who were like wild beasts in their eyes.
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Mark 1:34 and Jesus healed many who had various diseases.

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html

41 6 Caesar accomplished most of his march with difficulty, since no one would sell him provisions, and everybody despised him on account of his recent defeat; 7 but after he had taken Gomphi, a city of Thessaly, he not only provided food for his soldiers, but also relieved them of their disease unexpectedly. 8 For they fell in with plenty of wine, and after drinking freely of it, and then revelling and rioting on their march, by means of their drunkenness they drove away and got rid of their trouble, since they brought their bodies into a different habit.
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Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left.Then he went away and hanged himself.

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html
69 12 Subsequently, however, when arrayed against Antony and Caesar (Augustus) at Philippi, in the first battle he conquered the enemy in his front, routed and scattered them, and sacked the camp of Caesar (Augustus); 13 but as he was about to fight the second p609battle, the same phantom visited him again at night, and though it said nothing to him, Brutus understood his fate, and plunged headlong into danger. 14 He did not fall in battle, however, but after the rout retired to a crest of ground, put his naked sword to his breast (while a certain friend, as they say, helped to drive the blow home), and so died.
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Mark 6:48 He saw the discples strainning at the oars, because the wind was against them. About the fourth watch of the night he went out to them, walking on the lake.

http://penelope.uchi...rs/Julius*.html

64  1 At Alexandria, while assaulting a bridge, he was forced by a sudden sally of the enemy to take to a small skiff; when many others threw themselves into the same boat, he plunged into the sea, and after swimming for •two hundred paces, got away to the nearest ship, holding up his left hand all the way, so as not to wet some papers which he was carrying, and dragging his cloak after him with his teeth, to keep the enemy from getting it as a trophy.
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Mark 6:50-:51 "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." Then he climbed into the boat with them, and the wind died down.

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html

38 1 At Apollonia, since the force which he had with him was not a match for the enemy and the delay of his troops on the other side caused him perplexity and distress, Caesar conceived the dangerous plan of embarking in a twelve-oared boat, without any one's knowledge, and going over to Brundisium, though the sea was encompassed by such large armaments of the enemy. 2 At night, accordingly, after disguising himself in the dress of a slave, he went on board, threw himself down as one of no account, and kept quiet. 3 While the river Aoüs was carrying the boat down towards the sea, the early morning breeze, which at that time usually made the mouth of the river calm by driving back the waves, was quelled by a strong wind which blew from the sea during the night; 4 the river therefore chafed against the inflow of the sea and the opposition of its billows, and was rough, being beaten back with a great din and violent eddies, so that it was impossible for the master of the boat to force his way along. He therefore ordered the sailors to come about in order to retrace his course. 5 But Caesar, perceiving this, disclosed himself, took the master of the boat by the hand, who was terrified at sight of him, and said: "Come, good man, be bold p537and fear naught; thou carryest Caesar and Caesar's fortune in thy boat."69 6 The sailors forgot the storm, and laying to their oars, tried with all alacrity to force their way down the river. But since it was impossible, after taking much water and running great hazard at the mouth of the river, Caesar very reluctantly suffered the captain to put about. 7 When he came back, his soldiers met him in throngs, finding much fault and sore displeased with him because he did not believe that even with them alone he was able to conquer, but was troubled, and risked his life for the sake of the absent as though distrusting those who were present.
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Mark 2:2 "- We saw his star in the East and have come to worship him."

http://penelope.uchi...rs/Julius*.html
88  1 He died in the fifty-sixth year of his age, and was numbered among the gods, not only by a formal decree, but also in the conviction of the common people. For at the first of the games which his heir Augustus gave in honour of his apotheosis, a comet shone for seven successive days, rising about the eleventh hour,79 and was believed to be the soul of Caesar, who had been taken to heaven; and this is why a star is set upon the crown of his head in his statue.

http://www.poetryint...Metamorph15.htm
BK XV:745-842 The deification of Julius Caesar

Meanwhile take up Caesar’s spirit from his murdered corpse, and change it into a star, so that the deified Julius may always look down from his high temple on our Capitol and forum.’

In 1997, two scholars at the University of Illinois at Chicago – John T. Ramsey (a classicist) and A. Lewis Licht (a physicist) – published a book.

May 18, 44 BC (China)
July 23–25, 44 BC (Rome)
Absolute magnitude: Caesar's Comet -4.0 Venus -3.8
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Matthew 1:18 - but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

http://penelope.uchi.../Augustus*.html

4 I have read the following story in the books of Asclepias of Mendes entitled Theologumena.138 When Atia had come in the middle of the night to the solemn service of Apollo, she had her litter set down in the temple and fell asleep, while the rest of the matrons also slept. On a sudden a serpent139 glided up to her and shortly went away. When she awoke, she purified herself,140 as if after the embraces of her husband, and at once there appeared on her body a mark in colours like a serpent, and she could never get rid of it; so that presently she ceased p267ever to go to the public baths. In the tenth month after that Augustus was born and was therefore regarded as the son of Apollo. Atia too, before she gave him birth, dreamed that her vitals were borne up to the stars and spread over the whole extent of land and sea, while Octavius (Augustus) dreamed that the sun rose from Atia's womb.

http://en.wikipedia....esarean_section

Caesar was also falsely believed by Pliny the Elder to have been born of a C-section,or Caesarean birth.A fetus not passing naturely thru the vaginal canal,would make the mother still virgin like (It's a stretch,with pun intended).If Caesar was born a C-section,then it would have been considered a miracle his mortal mother survived during that era.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Rhea_Silvia

Rhea Silvia was the mythical mother of the twins Romulus,and Remus (founders of Rome,and of legend).Rhea being a Vestal Virgin sworn to celibacy was seduced by the God Mars.

Julius as the Pontifex Maximus was in charge of the Cult of Vestal virgins.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Vestal_Virgin
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The three Magi.

http://en.wikipedia....rst_Triumvirate

The First Triumvirate was the political alliance of Gaius Julius Caesar,Marcus Licinius Crassus,and Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus.Caesar received financial support from the wealthy Crassus,and the alliance (rule of three men) allowed them to dominate Roman politics.
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Luke 2:41-2:47 Parents traveled for a day till they noticed he was missing.After 3 days they found him in the temple courts,sitting among teachers asking questions.

Julius Became head of the family at age 16,do to his fathers (of the same name) death.
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Started ministry at age 30.

Jesus Baptized by John the Baptist.Mark 1:8

Julius At about the age of 30 when reading the history of Alexnder the Great,he is qouted as saying;

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html

11 6 "Do you not think," said he, "it is matter for sorrow that while Alexander,at my age, was already king of so many peoples,I have as yet achieved no brilliant success".
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Known as the truth,light,God's shepard.

Jesus

John 14:6 John 10:1-10:18

JuliusIn 46 BC,Caesar gave himself the title of "Prefect of the Morals", which was an office that was new only in name,as its powers were identical to those of the censors.The censors regulation of public morality is the origin of the modern meaning of the words "censor" and "censorship" (truth.)

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html

68 1 But when the will of Caesar was opened and it was found that he had given every Roman citizen a considerable gift, (good shepard.)

Deified thru Caesar's Comet (light.)

Is that fuzy enough? tee hee

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:44 AM

View PostDash--, on 06 November 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

The nail is 4.53 inches long.I don't see why it couldn't be possible for his heels to be
nailed separately on the sides of the upright,as modern scholars suggest.
What do you make of the inscription on the ossuary? Could it be related to crucifixion,as
Prof. Yadin theorizes?http://www.jstor.org...=21102890280001
Any way you look at it,the majority of scholars educated in this area,agree that this man
was crucified with his feet nailed to a "tree".
I'll admit,people should not be immovable in this subject.But for myself,it will take
more convincing than just "see my pics" or "watch the video" to go against the mainstream
scholarly view.
The archaeological evidence is there.The textual evidence is there.All showing that the
Romans varied in their crucifixion methods.Nails,ropes,single stakes,crossbeams,etc.
Why then would you not consider the crucifixion,as described in the Gospels,to not be a
possibility?

Jews nailed that foot?

http://en.wikipedia....xander_Jannaeus

Judean Civil War and the Crucifixion of the 800

The aftermath of the Judean Civil War consisted of popular unrest, poverty and grief over
the fallen soldiers on both sides. The greatest impact of the war was the victor’s
revenge. Josephus reports that Jannaeus brought 800 rebels to Jerusalem and had them
crucified. Even worse, Jannaeus had the throats of the rebel’s wives and children cut
before their eyes as Jannaeus ate with his concubines.

Remember the wording of my original challenge.

View PostDash--, on 06 November 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

I did.Lots of pics of coins,words flying by,and some nice background music.
Is there one point in particular?

Why does the sarcophagus of Saint Helena depict a prisoner of war scene, and Saint
Constantina has Dionysus imagery?Eat a grape, one eats the flesh.Drink wine, one drinks
the blood.

http://en.wikipedia....Helena_(Empress)

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Constantina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:49 AM

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

That was a pretty crappy video.  While it only had few minor errors in what it said,
basically all it consisted of was information on Caesar followed by a bunch of pictures
that tried to imply that all figures of three lines intersecting must be related.
Apparently such a simple symbol was deemed by the creator of the video as to complex for
independent creation, which is just ridiculous. (And the Chi Rho has an obvious source of
its creation--the letters Chi (X) and Rho (P).

It's curious that the Caesaris Astrum would later look like the first Chrisogram the "Chi
Rho."

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

Sorta ironic considering the video had random movies depicted in it, including Indiana
Jones and the Titanic.

History tells us that Steven Spielberg, and James Cameron directed iconic films.

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

But Venus wasn't Caesar's mother, she was (supposedly) his great great great great great
(etc.) grandmother. The gen Iulia traced its lineage back a supposed namesake, Ascanius,
son of Aeneas, who was sometimes also called Iulus.  Apparently this was close enough to
Iulius for them to go ahead and claim him as an ancestor, and therefore also Aeneas and
his mother, Venus (Aphrodite). Certainly Caesar and his successors loved to promote this
idea, but how believable it was to others is unknown.
And of course Caesar and Augustus also promoted the idea of descent from Mars, as Rhea
Silva was, according to mythology, of the line of Ascanius. You've made a very weak
connection between Venus and Jesus, but what's Jesus' connection to Mars?
What part of celestial mother you do not understand? I know nothing about the Caesar's
relationship with Mars.

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

More correctly, Caesar bought the Senate and compelled them to declare him dictator in
perpetuo, which was ultimately his downfall.  People were sorta okay with him being
reappointed dictator each year, but dictator in perpetuo was seen as essentially the same
as being king except for the title. And Romans really, really hated the idea of kings.
Some of the people the people that hailed him as King were arrested, but not by the
direction of Caesar.

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

Let's be clear, Augustus never claimed to be the son of god, he claimed to be the son of
a man who achieved apotheosis upon his death. And note that Divus isn't quite the same as
being a Deus
What part of Divis Fillius do you not understand?

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

The Augustan History is certainly suspect, but plenty of it is perfectly accurate.  The
letter to Servianus is now widely accepted as fake due to the many basic errors its
writer makes about Hadrian and Servianus. You can find a good discussion of its many
errors here: http://books.google....epage&q&f=false
Yes, it has been directed to my attention by another poster.

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

As for your claim about Christos (not Kristos, the first letter is Chi), it was indeed
used for other people (mainly kings), but I don't really buy the claim that is was used
by main cults. Any evidence for that?

2 Corinthians

11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached,
or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel
from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of
Christ.

http://en.wikipedia....f_Righteousness

A high priest is anointed with oil which is a Christol, and Judea, or hellenistic Jewish
communities had them.

View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

I think it's a bit irresponsible to use textual evidence for which you yourself admit to
not having the skills to properly understand. But let me help you with the "In Croce
Figarus" text. "In Croce" is straightforward, it means "on/onto a cross". "Figarus" is a
bit more difficult, but it clearly comes from the verb "figo" meaning "to fix, affix,
fasten, drive or thrust in". The form specifically appears to be a variant on the
subjunctive form, which is normally "figar", So we might then translate is as "may he be
affixed onto a cross"--a clear reference crucifixion.

Did you read my challenge?


View PostEverdred, on 07 November 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say here, but let me make a few notes. First,
"kremo" was not a Greek word; you're looking for "kremannumi" (an athematic verb) which
was sometimes used as a thematic verb, with attested forms such as "kremuo", "kremao",
"kremnao", and even "kremoo", but not "kremo". And the word did indeed mean "to hang,
susped" but per the LSJ it did not have the sense of "to impale".

Also note that the Latin for "to crucify" was "crucio". It's etymology is clearly a
derivation from the word "crux", a cross. It is unrelated to "cremo" and certainly did
not replace "cremo",

So Kremoo, but not Kremo. Gotcha.
You should look into the original texts, and see what you see.

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http://m.youtube.com...h?v=MzrIHdN9O7M <-- "Ten Lies About Jesus"
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=MclBbZUFSag <-- "Gospels=Myth Making"
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "The Mythical Jesus"

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:51 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 07 November 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

So secular historians in New Testament studies are keeping their mouths shut on the truth
so they can let the rest of us work it out on our own. That has to be the most absurd
claim I've ever seen from you. Even non-Christian scholars in this field almost
universally accept the historicity of Jesus.

Some indeed argue the story of Jesus includes many elements of different myths. However,
that is a far cry from saying "Jesus is a copy of *insert whatever name here*". And it's
an even a farther cry to denying that there was a Jesus who began a movement later known
as Christianity.
Yes, I'm aware I'm not including all historians in my claims but rather those who
specialise in the Ancient Near East. But it's the last refuge of the desperate to say
that most of them are theologians. Sorry, that's total crap. Academic study of the New
Testament is not glorified apologetics. Any claim otherwise is false - not necessarily
intentionally false, but false nonetheless.

Then you have consensus to not only back up your faith, but the point is made to this
thread.The evidence for Jesus is the NT.

For those with the bandwidth.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:25 PM

"Jesus was Julius Caesar" playlist (sources/references in the description.)

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 08:18 AM

Merry Caesar Christmas

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar P443 1.3-4

3 Moreover, Caesar was not satisfied to be overlooked at first by Sulla, who was busy with a multitude of proscriptions, but he came before the people as candidate for the priesthood, although he was not yet much more than a stripling. 4 To this candidacy Sulla secretly opposed himself, and took measures to make Caesar fail in it, and when he was deliberating about putting him to death and some said there was no reason for killing a mere boy like him, he declared that they had no sense if they did not see in this boy many Mariuses.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar P527-529 34.6-9

6 against Domitius, however, who was holding Corfinium with thirty cohorts under his command, he marched, and pitched his camp near by. Domitius, despairing of his enterprise, asked his physician, who was a slave, for a poison; and taking what was given him, drank it, intending to die. 7 But after a little, hearing that Caesar showed most wonderful clemency towards his prisoners, he bewailed his fate, and blamed the rashness of his purpose. 8 Then his physician bade him be of good cheer, since what he had drunk was a sleeping-potion and not deadly; whereupon Domitius rose up overjoyed and went to Caesar, the pledge of whose right hand he received, only to desert him and go back to Pompey. 9 When tidings of these things came to Rome, men were made more cheerful, and some of the fugitives turned back.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II P385 86.1

The servants of Pothinus cut off Pompey's head and kept it for Caesar, in expectation of a large reward, but he visited condign punishment on them for their nefarious deed.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II  P395 90.1 (2nd half of paragraph)

He ascended the Nile with 400 ships, exploring the country in company with Cleopatra and generally enjoying himself with her. The details, however, of these events are related more particularly in my Egyptian history. Caesar could not bear to look at the head of Pompey when it was brought to him, but ordered that it be buried, and set apart for it a small plot of ground near the city which was dedicated to Nemesis, but in my time, while the Roman emperor Trajan was exterminating the Jewish race in Egypt, it was devastated by them in the exigencies of the war.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars  Life of Julius Caesar P109 79.2

But from that time on he could not rid himself of the odium of having aspired to the title of monarch, although he replied to the commons, when they hailed him as king, "I am Caesar and no king," and at the Lupercalia, when the consul Antony several times attempted to place a crown upon his head as he spoke from the rostra, he put it aside and at last sent it to the Capitol, to be offered to Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II P501 147.1

Raised above the bier an image of Caesar himself made of wax.The body itself,as it lay on its back on the couch, could not be seen.The image was turned round and round by a mechanical device,showing the twenty-three wounds in all parts of the body and on the face,that had been dealt to him so brutally.(Tropaion/Mechane)

Appian The Civil Wars Book II P499 146.1

extreme passion he uncovered the body of Caesar,lifted his robe on the point of a spear and shook it aloft, pierced with dagger-thrusts and red with the dictator's blood. Whereupon the people, like a chorus in a play, mourned with him in the most sorrowful manner,and from sorrow became filled again with anger.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars  Life of Julius Caesar P117 84.5

At the height of the public grief a throng of foreigners went about lamenting each after the fashion of his country, above all the Jews, who even flocked to the place for several successive nights.(Caesar was seen as Messiah)

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar P607  69.3-5

3 Among events of man's ordering, the most amazing was that which befell Cassius; for after his defeat at Philippi he slew himself with that very dagger which he had used against Caesar; 4 and among events of divine ordering, there was the great comet, which showed itself in great splendour for seven nights after Caesar's murder, and then disappeared; also, the obscuration of the sun's rays. 5 For during all that year its orb rose pale and without radiance, while the heat that came down from it was slight and ineffectual, so that the air in its circulation was dark and heavy owing to the feebleness of the warmth that penetrated it, and the fruits, imperfect and half ripe, withered away and shrivelled up on account of the coldness of the atmosphere.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars  Life of Julius Caesar  P119 88.1

He died in the fifty-sixth year of his age, and was numbered among the gods, not only by a formal decree, but also in the conviction of the common people. For at the first of the games which his heir Augustus gave in honour of his apotheosis, a comet shone for seven successive days, rising about the eleventh hour, and was believed to be the soul of Caesar, who had been taken to heaven; and this is why a star is set upon the crown of his head in his statue.

http://penelope.uchi...es/Caesar*.html

http://penelope.uchi...il_Wars/2*.html

http://penelope.uchi...rs/Julius*.html



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http://m.youtube.com...h?v=MzrIHdN9O7M <-- "Ten Lies About Jesus"
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=MclBbZUFSag <-- "Gospels=Myth Making"
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "The Mythical Jesus"




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