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#1    qxcontinuum

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:32 PM

Now this one is a very interesting official declaration.

Zoser..you'd love this one...  the minister is describing numerous alien races, interstellar politics, etc...



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:32 PM

o god no


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:37 PM

Has the UFO season gone into reruns already? There's a reason this guy is a former defense minister.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:44 PM

QX you're a little late, this was posted, and ripped to shreds earlier, allow me to post one of my responses

so the only thing I can really see that causes a stir is that he is an ex Defence Minister. Who in later years has began to reveal he believes in ET.

So in the respect, he is no more credible than you or I stating what we believe in. None of us have proof of ET or proof of contact, so just stating what you believe is neither here nor there.

Read this article after Ive quoted this bit from it:

quote:  "For someone like Hellyer, however - a guy who once stood at the pinnacle of the Canadian political system, and then proceeded to flush his once-promising career down the toilet over a period of three decades, to the point where he exists now as little more than the answer to a trivia question ("what idiot put the Canadian navy and air force in army green?") - it isn't the size of the pond that matters anymore, but the size of the fish. Particularly when he's the fish.

Most important to the ETH proponents (and their more radical off-shoots, the True Believers), he was a VIP (sure, that was forty years ago, but they'll take what they can get these days).

He was going to blow the roof off the joint.

He was going to expose secrets.

In the words of one of the event organizers when he introduced Hellyer this past Sunday, "we are here today witnessing history."

As Hellyer's fellow speaker, exopolitics-activist / conspiracy theorist Steven Bassett, wrote:

"The Toronto Symposium will break new ground. It will mark the first time in history that any defense minister or secretary of defense of any first world nation (and possibly any nation) will state publicly that he or she is convinced the UFO phenomenon is extraterrestrial in origin."

And then The Big Fish opened his mouth.

THUD.

In short, it seems that the Big Fish has become the Big Flop.

Why?

Because they've finally figured out that he doesn't know anything, at least not in an official capacity.

Worse, he's not just another believer. He's an exopolitical, Phil Corso-reading believer.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:23 PM

I kinda feel sorry for that guy.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:36 PM

View Postscowl, on 30 October 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Has the UFO season gone into reruns already? There's a reason this guy is a former defense minister.

Why do you always need a reservation Mr S?

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:41 PM

I personally find extremely interesting that  a former minister and by such rank will come forward making such strong claims.
Although my believes towards UFO's are very dimmed right now, I cannot easily digest the scenario that this guy is another "nut case"


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

View Postseeder, on 30 October 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

QX you're a little late, this was posted, and ripped to shreds earlier, allow me to post one of my responses

so the only thing I can really see that causes a stir is that he is an ex Defence Minister. Who in later years has began to reveal he believes in ET.



Better to take the content piece by piece and comment on it rather than make baseless umbrella statements.

So what are your points against his address?

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I personally find extremely interesting that  a former minister and by such rank will come forward making such strong claims.
Although my believes towards UFO's are very dimmed right now, I cannot easily digest the scenario that this guy is another "nut case"

Me neither but I'm only half way through.  I'll give you my thoughts shortly.  Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

This is one guy I find of interest.

I have viewed quite a bit of his material and can not see any reason for him to openly and blatanly lie.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

View Postscowl, on 30 October 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Has the UFO season gone into reruns already? There's a reason this guy is a former defense minister.

Exactly.  No matter the topic, truth-telling while in office is most rare and usually leads to quick retirement.  Think Jocelyn Elders.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 30 October 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

Exactly.  No matter the topic, truth-telling while in office is most rare and usually leads to quick retirement.  Think Jocelyn Elders.

yups, he was sacked for simply opening his mouth... good thing they didn't kill him... :rolleyes:


View Postseeder, on 30 October 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

And then The Big Fish opened his mouth.

THUD.

In short, it seems that the Big Fish has become the Big Flop.

Why?

Because they've finally figured out that he doesn't know anything, at least not in an official capacity.

Worse, he's not just another believer. He's an exopolitical, Phil Corso-reading believer.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

It was a weird address.

He laid out a few snippets that are pretty common knowledge about different types of aliens.  Linda M Howe gets a mention as does Charles Hall and his famous description of the 'Tall Whites'.

He makes out that he is holding a couple of pieces of information back on the basis that it would not be good for us to know and that it may all come out some time in the future.

He then goes on to describe the US working with aliens, and a conspiracy theory involving elite groups of individuals (iIluminati) who he thinks have some grand plan that is against the public interest and against which there is no defense.

He finished with a new age style appeal that to embrace our spirituality and reach out to all forms of life would be in out best interests.

Weird.  Painfully short on detail.

I learned nothing new there myself, but I'm more intrigued by why he would make such a curious seemingly empty address?

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:57 PM

the point is regardless if true or false if an official is still empowered , he cannot make disclosures of any kinds. The fact that he did not do it in the past doesn't prove really anything...


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:59 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 October 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

It was a weird address.

He laid out a few snippets that are pretty common knowledge about different types of aliens.  Linda M Howe gets a mention as does Charles Hall and his famous description of the 'Tall Whites'.

He makes out that he is holding a couple of pieces of information back on the basis that it would not be good for us to know and that it may all come out some time in the future.

He then goes on to describe the US working with aliens, and a conspiracy theory involving elite groups of individuals (iIluminati) who he thinks have some grand plan that is against the public interest and against which there is no defense.

He finished with a new age style appeal that to embrace out spirituality and reach out to all forms of life would be in out best interests.

Weird.  Painfully short on detail.

I learned nothing new there myself, but I'm more intrigued by why he would make such a curious seemingly empty address?

Exactly. An interesting ramble though. Another persons perspective I guess.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:04 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 30 October 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

the point is regardless if true or false if an official is still empowered , he cannot make disclosures of any kinds. The fact that he did not do it in the past doesn't prove really anything...

Agreed.

But all of that info could have been gleaned off the internet in less than a couple of hours.   Does that help to validate anything or is it just Chinese whispers?

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