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#1    Dragonwind

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:30 AM

I have never really had much objection with the aquatic ape theory (AAT) in general and in recent years it has been advanced considerably. The basic premise is that going back a few million years, probably as a result of ice age dynamics, early homo species exploded out of waterways, estuaries, mangrove habitats and some coastal areas resulting in possibly early bipedalism, lack of 'fur' and a host of other aquatic adaptions unique to humans amongst the primates.

As Ice Ages created large swampy, marine wetland and inundated habitats, early homo was faced with a huge opportunity for procuring rich sources of food. Later homo started exploring Savanahs and more inland areas.

If were to assume this is true, many of our old myths of the serpent and even dragons could come from the dangerous animals homo would have encountered, feared and tried to avoid/respect in these types of environments.

I'd like to open a (speculative perhaps) discussion on this subject. That the myths of the serpent and dragon go back much further than previously thought and are ingrained into our conscious and story telling from the earliest days of aquatic exploration where snakes and crocodiles are common. Thoughts?


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 01:52 PM

This is a really cool theory :)

Dragons are also likely to be something else.


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:22 PM

The only problem is that the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis (since it doesn't really deserve to be called a theory, as it has not been backed up by any evidence) has been comprehensibly refuted. This is a good place to start


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 12:35 AM

Interesting....who really knows?


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:27 AM

That could be the case without changing the ToE. We tend to stretch and embellish the truth, especially over the years.  We're fools for fiction.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 04:48 AM

Dragons are well known as mountain creatures, so it is unlikely homos would have encountered them until well after leaving the coast. That said, it could be possible that the dragons actually headed to the coast in search of easy prey.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:36 AM

This theory "holds water" (no pun intended) without resort to the AAT. In fact, no lesser a scientific light than Carl Sagan espoused this primal memory of large reptiles theory in his book Broca's Brain (mid- to -late-70's). As you note, the fear of large crocodilians and huge snakes (which exist still) could have left quite an imprint on developing human intellect, memory, folklore and campfire stories. It would have been an adaptive trait to be aware of them, sensitive to them, even to fear them.

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:48 AM

Without AAT (which of course goes too far), we can consider that it may be early humans and some proto-humans lived mainly on shorelines.  Especially the earliest migrations out of Africa may have been along the Indian Ocean beaches, of which we have no records since they are now underwater.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 02 November 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Without AAT (which of course goes too far), we can consider that it may be early humans and some proto-humans lived mainly on shorelines.  Especially the earliest migrations out of Africa may have been along the Indian Ocean beaches, of which we have no records since they are now underwater.
That's right, irrelevent of AAT, humans have and still do focus naturally on waterways and less so mountains. We find remains in caves because they are good places for fossil formatation whereas aquatic habitats much harder.

I guess it's that these reptilian myths appear to go back a long way and they are focussed on water rather than savannah environments.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 05:03 PM

Komodo dragon it is said to eat people and have some sort of lethal bacteria that feels like a burning substance. I guess this is where the fire breathing stories come from, from giant lizards ie Komodo.
The serpernts are the giant oar fish


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:03 PM

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostBettyTheYeti, on 02 November 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

Dragons are well known as mountain creatures, so it is unlikely homos would have encountered them until well after leaving the coast. That said, it could be possible that the dragons actually headed to the coast in search of easy prey.

Dragons are mountainous only in European lore. In Asian mythologies, dragons were typically river spirits.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostNathan DiYorio, on 06 November 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Dragons are mountainous only in European lore. In Asian mythologies, dragons were typically river spirits.

very true

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:06 AM

That is because in Asia dragons are actually crocodiles, whereas in Europe, dragons are actually dragons.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:47 AM

View PostNathan DiYorio, on 06 November 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Dragons are mountainous only in European lore. In Asian mythologies, dragons were typically river spirits.

I was under the impression that Asian dragons inhabited all realms; water, the clouds, mountains and so forth.





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