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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:12 PM

Somewhere in a Russian computer lab lurks a computer virus so deadly, so indestructible that it can spread even when machines are disconnected from Wi-Fi - or power cables.

A researcher and his team have battled the infection for three years - and seen it infect Macs and PCs, and return even once machines have been wiped.

http://uk.news.yahoo...72.html#fvk5OMu

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:38 PM

I really don't see how a virus - which is really just a bit of code - can do anything if there is no power to the computer it is in (or going to)...


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:11 PM

View PostTaun, on 07 November 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

I really don't see how a virus - which is really just a bit of code - can do anything if there is no power to the computer it is in (or going to)...

i agree with taun, the systems would need to be running for it to do anything, how would it spread with out a net connection? cant be done remotley due to no net connection this sounds extreamly strange to me


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:20 PM

I can see how it would be possible the microphone on our computers would have to store and convert the sounds it receives in some manner - a specific soundwave could read as a specific "code" when received and the code would then be in your PC .... improbable but not impossible.

Having said that, the link has all the makings of a poorly scripted rumour.

Edited by libstaK, 07 November 2013 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

Wow, this is not really even news it's just hearsay and rumors and magic apparently.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 02:02 PM

This isn't the first time I have heard about infecting a computer through sound.  Doesn't really surprise me, one nation could do lots of damage to another like this or shut down the internet at least for a while.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-spying-on-you/


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 02:15 PM

i believe the sound thing, just think its unlikley


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:56 PM

I had a person's infected laptop I was trying to clean.  Now, I clean probably 200 a year and sometimes they need to just be wiped and started over, which is what I did with this machine only to have the "malware" reappear.  Tried several different things until eventually I replaced the memory and hard drive with new stuff and installed Windows 8 preview from a clean thumbdrive.  Worked for 3-4 minutes and then the "malware" reappeared.  I did this again on different and same thing.  Note that when scanned nothing showed up as being malware (after initial infection was cleaned) so the only thing I could think of was that the CMOS chip had become corrupted or infected with some unknown malware.  I had never seen anything like this and haven't since.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:07 PM

How did the malware manifest itself?


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

View PostMerc14, on 07 November 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I had a person's infected laptop I was trying to clean.  Now, I clean probably 200 a year and sometimes they need to just be wiped and started over, which is what I did with this machine only to have the "malware" reappear.  Tried several different things until eventually I replaced the memory and hard drive with new stuff and installed Windows 8 preview from a clean thumbdrive.  Worked for 3-4 minutes and then the "malware" reappeared.  I did this again on different and same thing.  Note that when scanned nothing showed up as being malware (after initial infection was cleaned) so the only thing I could think of was that the CMOS chip had become corrupted or infected with some unknown malware.  I had never seen anything like this and haven't since.

That is really incredible. I have over 10 years experience in fixing computers and have heard from friends of friends of this type of thing, but never directly from someone who has come across this type of malware.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:32 PM

The US military has developed or developing means of hacking into wired networks remotely.

Because certain cables release electromagnetic pulses, you can intercept it with special gear. But being remotely, you'd need some pretty high tech and very strong receiver or some sort. (at least that's all I can think about how they could pull something off like that)

Could it be via sound or through such pulses of energy?

Edited by Orcseeker, 07 November 2013 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:33 PM

View PostMerc14, on 07 November 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I had a person's infected laptop I was trying to clean.  Now, I clean probably 200 a year and sometimes they need to just be wiped and started over, which is what I did with this machine only to have the "malware" reappear.  Tried several different things until eventually I replaced the memory and hard drive with new stuff and installed Windows 8 preview from a clean thumbdrive.  Worked for 3-4 minutes and then the "malware" reappeared.  I did this again on different and same thing.  Note that when scanned nothing showed up as being malware (after initial infection was cleaned) so the only thing I could think of was that the CMOS chip had become corrupted or infected with some unknown malware.  I had never seen anything like this and haven't since.

Amazing stuff. What did it do?


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostExorcist, on 07 November 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

That is really incredible. I have over 10 years experience in fixing computers and have heard from friends of friends of this type of thing, but never directly from someone who has come across this type of malware.

I'm torn between malware on the CMOS or a corrupted CMOS.  Maybe the various Trojans I removed earlier had corrupted the CMOS in some way?

It manifested itself by opening 100's and 100's of browser windows. They all went to the designated homepage so it wasn't a hijacker per-se and I can see know reason for it other than rendering the machine unusable.  I had previously pulled the drive and gotten all of his files off and they showed clear of infection with nothing destroyed.

System was a midrange HP laptop running Windows 7.  I told him to send it back to HP and see if they could figure it out but never heard back from the guy.

Edited by Merc14, 07 November 2013 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

I have also worked on "persistant infection" computers, even after a HD wipe.

There are several issue here:

1) The HD wipe is done by a poor program, unable to do a "military-grade" wipe.

2) Infected archive-install CD's, DVD's, or external HD's.

3) The motherboard Flash ROM might be infected.

4) The video card's Flash Rom might be infected. (This is very hard to deal with)

5) The router's Flash Rom might be infected. ( a factory default "hard-reset" will correct that, but then one has to put in all the IP info... oh well...)

6) 2-5 can easily re-introduce the virus even after a HD military-grade wipe and reformat.(if 2-5 is not dealt with)

Edited by pallidin, 07 November 2013 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:12 PM

High pitched frequencies have been used for a very long time in networking.  I didn't open the link, but if it is talking about the BadBIOS virus, that is most likely untrue.  Only one security specialist has "seen" the virus.  Othe rsecurity specialists have been unable to replicate anything he was saying happened, and are beginning to discount it as paranoia.





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