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#1    Gomar

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:28 AM

I was just reading about the Voronezh Russia UFO flap in OpenMinds mag.  Some say it is real, others it's a hoax.  No real photos were taken of any craft nor aliens, which proves to me it's a hoax.

Any opinions, news, conclusions about it?


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:03 PM

View PostGomar, on 09 November 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

I was just reading about the Voronezh Russia UFO flap in OpenMinds mag.  Some say it is real, others it's a hoax.  No real photos were taken of any craft nor aliens, which proves to me it's a hoax.

Any opinions, news, conclusions about it?

Easy to jump to conclusions simply because no photos exist.  Better to listen to the testimonies of the people who were there at the time.  Easy to find on youtube.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:52 PM

Yea, because if someone says they saw a dragon, demon, troll, unicorn, alien then it must be true.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostHazzard, on 09 November 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Yea, because if someone says they saw a dragon, demon, troll, unicorn, alien then it must be true.

They never do though do they?  I can't see where that argument goes.  It's just leads to a dead end.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:19 PM

I always approach eyewitness testimony in this manner: Don't completely discount it, but ALWAYS take physical evidence first. Testimony can be altered and twisted quite easily, even if the witness doesn't mean to. Physical evidence remains the same.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! Mostly because yours is boring as hell.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:23 PM

View PostHazzard, on 09 November 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Yea, because if someone says they saw a dragon, demon, troll, unicorn, alien then it must be true.
Or a leprechaun.




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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 09 November 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Or a leprechaun.


Nope.  No one sees those either.

They do however see these:

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And these are the boys who saw them:

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DYOR

http://www.ufoeviden...ses/case120.htm

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

I see no difference. I suppose you'd just as quickly dismiss a Sasquatch sighting. Though in my opinion, from an evolutionary and biological perspective, a Sasquatch is far more likely than a bipedal humanoid independently evolving on a world perhaps thousands of lightyears from us.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! Mostly because yours is boring as hell.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:01 PM

I'm sure this must have been mentioned before somewhere or other, but it is worth saying that at Voronezh is a Tupolev factory that at the time was involved in secret and hi-tech projects, TU-144 (Konkordski) was built there. Also there was an, at that time, secret Soviet Airforce base right by the Tupolev plant. I'm sure people can make their own conclusions about these facts and UFO sightings at Voronezh.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostDecoNoir, on 09 November 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

I see no difference. I suppose you'd just as quickly dismiss a Sasquatch sighting. Though in my opinion, from an evolutionary and biological perspective, a Sasquatch is far more likely than a bipedal humanoid independently evolving on a world perhaps thousands of lightyears from us.

I wouldn't dismiss Sasquatch for a start.  I haven't researched it myself but I refuse to be arrogant to call hoax on something just because I have not laid eyes it.

Do you have strong evidence that it does not exist?

I would like to hear it if you do.

I see a huge difference because there are literally hundred of thousands report seeing non humanoid beings.

The Voronezh incident was a very well supported case.

Listen to them for yourself:



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:05 PM

View PostKaa-Tzik, on 09 November 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm sure this must have been mentioned before somewhere or other, but it is worth saying that at Voronezh is a Tupolev factory that at the time was involved in secret and hi-tech projects, TU-144 (Konkordski) was built there. Also there was an, at that time, secret Soviet Airforce base right by the Tupolev plant. I'm sure people can make their own conclusions about these facts and UFO sightings at Voronezh.

No one is going to confuse a bomber aircraft with a flying saucer.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:05 PM

discussed ages ago.... and wasnt very interesting then either

http://www.unexplain...pic=217223&st=0

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:07 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 November 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

No one is going to confuse a bomber aircraft with a flying saucer.
What was being made at Voronezh apart from TU-144, please tell....


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:48 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 November 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Nope.  No one sees those either.
You didn't see the sketch in the video?
I can't believe you of all people are dismissing the testimonies of those who witnessed the leprechaun. That guy even had a leprechaun flute and everything.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 09 November 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

You didn't see the sketch in the video?
I can't believe you of all people are dismissing the testimonies of those who witnessed the leprechaun. That guy even had a leprechaun flute and everything.

Your tactic is to offer what you perceive to be none believable parallels in order to put the credibility of something else in doubt.

It doesn't work.

The reason is that the shear scale and quantity of people who have witnessed UFO's and non humanoid beings is colossal.

The tactic is easy to spot and easy to debunk on that basis alone.

Better to look into the case in detail.  Weird parallels will just fail.

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