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Mars Snail, Bone Or Weathered Rock?

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#1    AggManUK

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:24 PM

Hi All

Using the Microsoft WorldWide Telescope, i came upon something very odd indeed.

You can find the panoramic image in the program by going to...

WorldWide Telescope Mars / Panoramas /
Opportunity / Opportunity Mission Success.

If you don't have it installed then you can view the oddity on my youtube video.



I am stumped to explain it! If you have time, take a look and let me know what you think.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:20 PM

Do you know what the date of the photo in question is?  I want to have at the original images if possible.

If I may offer you a genuine piece of advice, if you want to discuss a NASA photo on these forums, it's generally best to simply post the photograph along with a possible link to the source or reference number for others to look up the original.  I appreciate that you have a YouTube channel (that you may wish to get people looking at) and want to zazz up your find, but it's really not necessary for people to watch 45 seconds of animations and music before getting to the point.

Anyway, interesting find.  As I say, I'd like to look up the original and have a proper look at it.

Edited by JesseCuster, 09 November 2013 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:25 PM

Looks more like a bone than snail to me.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:36 PM

View PostJesseCuster, on 09 November 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Do you know what the date of the photo in question is?  I want to have at the original images if possible.

If I may offer you a genuine piece of advice, if you want to discuss a NASA photo on these forums, it's generally best to simply post the photograph along with a possible link to the source or reference number for others to look up the original.  I appreciate that you have a YouTube channel (that you may wish to get people looking at) and want to zazz up your find, but it's really not necessary for people to watch 45 seconds of animations and music before getting to the point.

Anyway, interesting find.  As I say, I'd like to look up the original and have a proper look at it.

Thanks for the response.  Your right, i did go overboard with the video!  I can't find a date for the image right now as my WorldWide Telescope program has stopped working.  I will reinstall and let you know.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:57 PM

It's a rock for crying out loud!  What makes it look weird is that the majority of the light colored rock is covered with same dark dust (carefully examine to the right side of the "snail" and you'll see what I mean) as the plain it rests upon.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:01 PM

View PostJesseCuster, on 09 November 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Do you know what the date of the photo in question is?  I want to have at the original images if possible.
I have managed to find the original image for you.

http://marswatch.ast...on_Succcess.jpg

The date of the image storage on the site is  23-Apr-2005 Time 20:46.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:09 PM

View PostKahn, on 09 November 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

It's a rock for crying out loud!  What makes it look weird is that the majority of the light colored rock is covered with same dark dust (carefully examine to the right side of the "snail" and you'll see what I mean) as the plain it rests upon.
I know it not a snail.  I even say in the video that it's not.  However, I have never seen a rock with two sharp points like that.  To the right of the object i see the shadow of one of the points.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:10 PM

Found it.  It's a panorama taken just after the successful landing and deployment of Opportunity.  There's full-size JPGs and TIFFs available here - http://marswatch.ast...ent/mspanb.html

It can also be seen but not very clearly on the following pics taken on Sol 2 of Opportunity's mission:

http://marsrover.nas...0P2211L2M1.HTML
http://marsrover.nas...0P2211R2M1.HTML

Here's a direct blow-up as it comes from NASA's panoramic photo:

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:12 PM

View PostAggManUK, on 09 November 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

I have managed to find the original image for you.

http://marswatch.ast...on_Succcess.jpg

The date of the image storage on the site is  23-Apr-2005 Time 20:46.
Thanks, I found it via the WorldWide Telescope website which had a link to it.

Given that it's in the area where Opportunity landed, and given how it landed, I wonder if it might be something that fell of it.  The lander basically inflated airbags and crash-landed into the planet and tumbled along until it came to a halt before deflating the airbags.  You can see the ground marks from the airbags in the full panorama.

On the other hand, rocks do come in all sorts of shapes and sizes.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:51 PM

View PostJesseCuster, on 09 November 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

Thanks, I found it via the WorldWide Telescope website which had a link to it.

Given that it's in the area where Opportunity landed, and given how it landed, I wonder if it might be something that fell of it.  The lander basically inflated airbags and crash-landed into the planet and tumbled along until it came to a halt before deflating the airbags.  You can see the ground marks from the airbags in the full panorama.

On the other hand, rocks do come in all sorts of shapes and sizes.
Yeah.  The more i look at it, the more i think it came off the lander.  Maybe when the airbags deflated it fell softly, hence the lack of soil disturbance.  Thanks for looking and helping out!  All the best. :yes:


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:50 AM

No, no!  I know it's very misleading, but look just to the right of the "snail's" right "antenna".  The rock is flat with dust on top of it.

Hopefully this will clarify what I'm seeing ...
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I've highlighted the edges of the rock covered in dust in red, though your original is clearer.
Does this make better sense?


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:14 AM

Also interesting are all the flat circles scored with symmetrical rays coming from smaller offset circles. Anybody want to guess?


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:35 AM

have you guys and galls seen all other stuff that is all over the place in the image? But the "snail" one is freaking awesome.One of the best mars mysteries so far ...

Why there are traces in the soil representing a sun ? Aliens sending us a message ?

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http://marswatch.ast...on_Succcess.jpg

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Footstep?

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What is this?

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or this?


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Edited by qxcontinuum, 10 November 2013 - 01:37 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:43 AM

Don't forget, if this is the actual landing site they you will have the exhaust gasses from the "crane" present.  They could account for the strange "rays" QX noted.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:58 AM

View PostKahn, on 10 November 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Don't forget, if this is the actual landing site they you will have the exhaust gasses from the "crane" present.  They could account for the strange "rays" QX noted.
Sigh...

This isn't Curiosity's landing site, it's Opportunity's landing site.

There was no sky crane for the Spirit and Opportunity landers.  They used a cruder method more suitable for smaller lighter landers and rovers.  They used a parachute to slow their descent and then inflated airbags to cushion their landing. They crashed into the surface of Mars and bounced along the surface until they came to a halt, then deflated the airbags before deploying the rovers.

The surface marks we're seeing are marks made by the airbags rolling the rover into its final resting place that it started its mission from.

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