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#1    LucidElement

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 06:35 AM

Breaking News: Obama has 72 hours to do something about the health care plan catastrophe before his left wing buddies leave him high and dry not mention derank. The left wings are starting to become upset with the fact that Obama has lost control and is changing his plan. He wants a universal health care system which is not the free-american way. Health care shouldn't have to have it. I have healthcare but I shouldnt have my health care raised to help aid in obama care. And i shouldn't have to loose my insurance with sky rocketing costs by riders that are being added to my plan. There is a reason 5 million americans have lost their health care. And that number is believed to go as north as 100 million. Who is to tell me that if I need or do not need health care. I said it before, but the government works for us, we should not have to work for the government. Obama wants the complete control on this situation and thats why his approval rating just hit 38% this is huge news today and a political nightmare for (not even the left) as much as it is for obama and his staff. His left wing buddies are flyin against him on quit a bit lately.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 06:53 AM

Does Clinton speaking out represent the first rat to leave the ship that will lead to a mass exodus within the next 72 hours?  Or will this guy somehow magically pull it out by really being Nicolai Carpathian?

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:20 AM

No offence but this is merely more political porn for the presstitutes to exploit dividing America.



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:49 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 November 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Does Clinton speaking out represent the first rat to leave the ship that will lead to a mass exodus within the next 72 hours?  Or will this guy somehow magically pull it out by really being Nicolai Carpathian?

I personally see it as the Clinton's attempting to save face to salvage what's left of Hilary's presidential nomination and campaign.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:10 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 13 November 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Breaking News: Obama has 72 hours to do something about the health care plan catastrophe before his left wing buddies leave him high and dry not mention derank. The left wings are starting to become upset with the fact that Obama has lost control and is changing his plan. He wants a universal health care system which is not the free-american way. Health care shouldn't have to have it. I have healthcare but I shouldnt have my health care raised to help aid in obama care. And i shouldn't have to loose my insurance with sky rocketing costs by riders that are being added to my plan. There is a reason 5 million americans have lost their health care. And that number is believed to go as north as 100 million. Who is to tell me that if I need or do not need health care. I said it before, but the government works for us, we should not have to work for the government. Obama wants the complete control on this situation and thats why his approval rating just hit 38% this is huge news today and a political nightmare for (not even the left) as much as it is for obama and his staff. His left wing buddies are flyin against him on quit a bit lately.

Kucinich was right--the Obama plan is a fraud, written by and for the insurance industry.

Single payer model is the only one that makes any sense, but that would put the insurance industry out of business.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:18 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 13 November 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Kucinich was right--the Obama plan is a fraud, written by and for the insurance industry.

Single payer model is the only one that makes any sense, but that would put the insurance industry out of business.

I doubt that it will put private insurers out of business as they exists even there where healthcare is paid by taxes.They just have to become slightly more competitive.

But as I said with Obamacare all along: Better marginal healthcare than no healthcare at all.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 13 November 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

I doubt that it will put private insurers out of business as they exists even there where healthcare is paid by taxes.They just have to become slightly more competitive.

But as I said with Obamacare all along: Better marginal healthcare than no healthcare at all.

One could use the standard republican answer--"healthcare" is available to any and all by way of the emergency room.

From the medical perspective, that is an absurd position, but rather prevalent in some circles.  So, the idea that Obamacare provides some measure of healthcare where there was none before may be true in some cases, but from the outside looking in, it appears Obamacare is costing way more than what it is providing.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 13 November 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Breaking News: Obama has 72 hours to do something about the health care plan catastrophe before his left wing buddies leave him high and dry not mention derank. The left wings are starting to become upset with the fact that Obama has lost control and is changing his plan. He wants a universal health care system which is not the free-american way. Health care shouldn't have to have it. I have healthcare but I shouldnt have my health care raised to help aid in obama care. And i shouldn't have to loose my insurance with sky rocketing costs by riders that are being added to my plan. There is a reason 5 million americans have lost their health care. And that number is believed to go as north as 100 million. Who is to tell me that if I need or do not need health care. I said it before, but the government works for us, we should not have to work for the government. Obama wants the complete control on this situation and thats why his approval rating just hit 38% this is huge news today and a political nightmare for (not even the left) as much as it is for obama and his staff. His left wing buddies are flyin against him on quit a bit lately.

The best solution is to make Obama irrelevant.

Take the Dem. Senator Mary Landrieu " Keep Your Plan " and push it through the House with an overwhelming majority.

Then have the same bill pushed through the U.S. Senate with about 80 Votes.

Then just sit the bill on Obama's desk and see what he does.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:34 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 13 November 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

One could use the standard republican answer--"healthcare" is available to any and all by way of the emergency room.

From the medical perspective, that is an absurd position, but rather prevalent in some circles.  So, the idea that Obamacare provides some measure of healthcare where there was none before may be true in some cases, but from the outside looking in, it appears Obamacare is costing way more than what it is providing.

      Lest we forget:

"The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on private insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in America," he said. "After all, you just go to an emergency room."    George W Bush

http://www.washingto...7_07/011668.php

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:45 PM

View Postlightly, on 14 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

  Lest we forget:

"The immediate goal is to make sure there are more people on private insurance plans. I mean, people have access to health care in America," he said. "After all, you just go to an emergency room." George W Bush

http://www.washingto...7_07/011668.php

The clock is ticking.  It's no longer 72 hours.

The knuckleheads in congress need to find a way to make the - Old Health Care Plans - no longer illegal.

That way the cancellation notices can be made - Null and Void -.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

A point I don't understand is if obamacare does relent and people are able to keep their private HI, what happens to the 5+ mil. whos policies have already been cancelled? Its just a cluster f#%$.

It seems to me that every day that goes by things just get worse and worse and obama's care has become an absolute nightmare for our country.

I'm counting the days till the employer mandates kick in and I lose my present excellent coverage.

Is there anyway possible to derail this train wreck? Who will or can stand up to this mess?

Forget "God bless America" its now "God help America"


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

View Postacidhead, on 13 November 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

No offence but this is merely more political porn for the presstitutes to exploit dividing America.

Exactly. Its a lets all point at the socialist, who isnt a socialist at all. He doesnt want universal health care. If he did, we would already have it. There was nothing to stop him from putting that in the original bill.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

View Postpraetorian-legio XIII, on 14 November 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

A point I don't understand is if obamacare does relent and people are able to keep their private HI, what happens to the 5+ mil. whos policies have already been cancelled? Its just a cluster f#%$.

It seems to me that every day that goes by things just get worse and worse and obama's care has become an absolute nightmare for our country.

I'm counting the days till the employer mandates kick in and I lose my present excellent coverage.

Is there anyway possible to derail this train wreck? Who will or can stand up to this mess?

Forget "God bless America" its now "God help America"

Oh, don't worry. It appears that NBC Matt Lauer has that all figured out for you. He says 5% and that's it !

Also, Obama said he was sorry and we should all forgive and forget ?????




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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:49 PM

View Postpraetorian-legio XIII, on 14 November 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

A point I don't understand is if obamacare does relent and people are able to keep their private HI, what happens to the 5+ mil. whos policies have already been cancelled? Its just a cluster f#%$.

It seems to me that every day that goes by things just get worse and worse and obama's care has become an absolute nightmare for our country.

I'm counting the days till the employer mandates kick in and I lose my present excellent coverage.

Is there anyway possible to derail this train wreck? Who will or can stand up to this mess?

Forget "God bless America" its now "God help America"

I don't think it's up to the government.

It was not the government that sent those cancellation notices to people, it was the private insurance companies.

Single-payer, modeled after other countries, is the only practical solution to the problem.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:54 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 November 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Exactly. Its a lets all point at the socialist, who isnt a socialist at all. He doesnt want universal health care. If he did, we would already have it. There was nothing to stop him from putting that in the original bill.

BS.  He absoolutely wants single payer and has said as much to some of his favorite constituents such as the SEIU.  He told then that was the ultimate goal but it would take a few years to get there and ACA was teh first step.   What stopped him from putting it in the original bill is that it would never have been passed in to law because every idiot that voted for single payer in a country of this size would be out of office the next election cycle.

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