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#16    Celumnaz

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 08:21 PM

Where did I say hate was ok? Where?  I'm saying, if people should be allowed to 'express themselves' then people should be allowed to express themselves.  On Both sides.  Where again did I say "Hate is ok."?

If they have a right to PRoclaim "I'm Gay and Beautiful!" someone else has just as much right to say "I don't care! Go away!" or whatever.  But it seems, they're not free to say that according to some here.

Oh my goodness, now insulting black people??  When did I even insult a gay person??  I WILL insult extremeist leftist socialist liberals, but they leave themselves open to it, it's hard not to, you really have to try because speaking the truth is an insult to them and an attack.

And what if I did insult them?  I've had a relationship with the same sex before.  I have room to talk.  Do you?  But as an aside, I didn't insult them, and these comments strike me as an attempt to suppress someone's opinion, suppress his freedom of expression.

And another first admission... first admited here.  I agree with him.  I guess, that's an insult if you're an extreme leftist.  Everyone's open minded as long as they agree with the leftists.  They love everyone as long as they agree with them.  Can't have civil disagreement, it's labled biggottry.  Impossible to not like something without being a bigot in their eyes.

I'm a licorice bigot.  I hate licorice.  It was born that way, it tastes bad, it smells bad, and I don't like it.  I guess that makes me evil?  Because I have a genetic disposition to not like or agree with something for myself?  

I'm not the one trying to legislate through the courts.  I don't care if their position is 6 armed people should be allowed to fly airplanes, you don't do it through the courts.  These apologists just let it happen, I guess that's where my 'anger' comes from, when people abuse the system.  Like Kerry.  Like most extremeist leftists.  Well, extremeist rightys too, but the leftists are so blatant that it does bring out some... 'anger'.


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Posted 26 October 2004 - 08:36 PM

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Where did I say hate was ok? Where? I'm saying, if people should be allowed to 'express themselves' then people should be allowed to express themselves. On Both sides. Where again did I say "Hate is ok."?


I think she said it because your posted twice on not being allowed to say what you think because people will claim its hate speach. tongue.gif



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If they have a right to PRoclaim "I'm Gay and Beautiful!" someone else has just as much right to say "I don't care! Go away!" or whatever. But it seems, they're not free to say that according to some here.


Actually its the 'its a sin' aspect we have a problem with, and statements like this "Leading the way to family and social meltdown" & "I hope "Gay" will not have a great impact against children in the next generation. I hope their "Pink Power" will not convert little childrens to be homosexuals at a young age and feel great and add some encouragement. " etc. Not your quotes, but its the kinda of prejudious we're attacking. tongue.gif

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I WILL insult extremeist leftist socialist liberals, but they leave themselves open to it, it's hard not to, you really have to try because speaking the truth is an insult to them and an attack.


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I've had a relationship with the same sex before.


Well, thats nice to know, I must say I admire your openness about your bisexuality thumbsup.gif

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I'm not the one trying to legislate through the courts. I don't care if their position is 6 armed people should be allowed to fly airplanes, you don't do it through the courts. These apologists just let it happen, I guess that's where my 'anger' comes from, when people abuse the system. Like Kerry. Like most extremeist leftists. Well, extremeist rightys too, but the leftists are so blatant that it does bring out some... 'anger'.


Courts...? huh.gif You do read the "lefty's" posts on this site don't you? We don't to say Courts... we tend to say execution. Hate to break it to you, the left on this site is far more hard line against crime than the right. tongue.gif

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I guess, that's an insult if you're an extreme leftist. Everyone's open minded as long as they agree with the leftists.


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I'm a licorice bigot. I hate licorice.


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I guess that makes me evil?


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Posted 26 October 2004 - 09:19 PM

well I do think people should be allowed to speak, and people should be allowed to disagree.

I would hate it if we couldn't talk about slavery or holocost and such.  It needs to be said, explored, and disagreed with, so future generations are aware of it.  Not cencored or attacked or nobody will learn anything, might even be inclined to go along with it if the attack is rabid enough.

Speech is speech, Hate is hate, crime is crime.

And I'm being careful not to bring religion into this.

And I lost you on the court thing.  If the leftys over here want to do what they want to do, but the law says they can't, they go to court instead of the legislature.  An appointed judge (appointed by leftys) then dictates new law from the bench to the people against their stated will, the law.  I'm not talking about executing anyone, but for the record I'm pro execution.

About my sexuality... well... I have opinions on so many issues because I feel I've done just about everything, at least more than most my age, and I feel I know what I'm talking about from experience tempered with knowledge... it sounds like I pull things out of thin air, but that's because it's already in my past, been there, done that, don't want to pull out all my papers just to prove a point I know is true.  I'm a little Taoistic that way, what I've done becomes part of me, I don't need to rehash it, I just know it already.  That's why the 'why' question is sometimes irritating and I just want to say "because it is".  Sometimes it doesn't matter if something's backed up, they won't believe it anyway.

Anyway, speech is speech.  To be a bigot you'd have to do something to actively oppress an opposing idea.  Saying your thoughts is not oppression, especially when it's open for someone to express and explain the disagreement.  Now, introducing a bill to have Gays executed would be a lil bigoted action there...


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Posted 26 October 2004 - 09:32 PM

A bigot is just someone who's intolerant. It doesn't mean that they have violent thoughts or anything like that about a certain group (or groups) of people.

You can have opinions on whatever you want, no one is saying that you can't. But people ARE going to get offended when you tell them that certain kinds of people are different and shouldn't be treated the same as everyone else.





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