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#1    sean6

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:45 AM

Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist


Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense, or at the very least unprovable.
Yet one expert claims he has evidence to confirm an existence beyond the grave - and it lies in quantum physics.
Professor Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism teaches that death as we know it is an illusion created by our consciousness.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 02:10 AM

Humans are being taught about death, have been all the time. Though my parents weren't nor ain't religious, not my mother at least, she told me about death when I was 3 or 4 or so. I remember that clearly, it's not something we learn through experience. It would be probably different if we figured those things out ourselves, I dont think animals know of death the same way we do though they too may sense danger and all that. There's a stigma attached to what is being taught about death. That you need to be good to avoid something you dont know, or that it's this big scary unknown place, a vast emptiness that makes your heart shrink. I know because that feeling haunted me for a good while when I thought I was supposed to be atheist. Life itself is unpredictable and unknown but we're not so afraid of life.

I can fathom time and space being in the eye of the beholder instead of hard-fixed things in our reality. His bottom line seems to be that observing things causes them to change. And to observe is to be conscious of something, observing is merely the link to our consciousness. I'm thinking it's not an either-or thing whether you're conscious or not of something, but how conscious you are of that something. It's just when certain tresholds in how strongly things are observed, those tresholds being breached, we see changes.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:49 AM

I understand what i see can not be present without my consciousness thats ok but I dont understand how consciousnes doesnt die with death in the explained article though. perhaps I read fast and missed a part.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:53 AM

doesent sound like science to me, more like philosophy.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:23 AM

The theory seems like garbage to me, especially since Prof. Lanza's interpretation of the double slit experiment has been definitively disproven (it doesn't matter whether any conscious observer sees which slit the photons pass through, only that a machine capable of making that measurement is available).

Although it is possible that the article is trivializing Lanza's arguments...


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 02:37 PM

Lanza is a medical doctor, not a physicist. There's no reason to publish his misguided wafflings about quantum physics over anyone else's.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

So something non-conscious such as a camera should not record the illusion of space? And yet it does.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 05:26 PM

Here is Dr Lanza's website where he discusses his 'theory' of Biocentrism.

I remain unconvinced of his premise - that "life creates or defines the universe". It seems to me to be little more than a nod to anthropocentrism - with a lot of 'sciencey' language thrown in to sound good.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

View Postsepulchrave, on 15 November 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

The theory seems like garbage to me, especially since Prof. Lanza's interpretation of the double slit experiment has been definitively disproven (it doesn't matter whether any conscious observer sees which slit the photons pass through, only that a machine capable of making that measurement is available).
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Thats just a minor obstacle for quantum woos, i.e. experimenters consciously built experiment, ergo - conscious observer (observation).

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:21 PM

LOL @ "quantum woos". It's pretty funny how people attempt to apply science to ideas that are actually based on faith/belief. This kind of thing never works, but it certainly doesn't stop some people from trying.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostLilly, on 15 November 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

LOL @ "quantum woos". It's pretty funny how people attempt to apply science to ideas that are actually based on faith/belief. This kind of thing never works, but it certainly doesn't stop some people from trying.
... and selling quantum spinal alignment (whatever that means), and similar stuff...

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 02:21 AM

nothing but some psycho-babble nonesense.
Why doesnt he show evidence by contacting a dead person, ask some questions unknown
to scientists, such as cure for AIDS, closest planet with life, where are Jimmy Hoffa, Emilia Earnhardt, that missing black kid in NYC, who Jesus really was, etc.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

I have got a headache trying to wrap my head around this idea...

or have I fabricated myself a headache to represent my inability to wrap my head around this idea?

I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to show me where the hell Helen of Annoy has been for the past couple of months.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:07 PM

View Postsepulchrave, on 15 November 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

The theory seems like garbage to me, especially since Prof. Lanza's interpretation of the double slit experiment has been definitively disproven (it doesn't matter whether any conscious observer sees which slit the photons pass through, only that a machine capable of making that measurement is available).

Although it is possible that the article is trivializing Lanza's arguments...

A measuring instrument bringing into existence particles from waves doesn't disprove that human observation can have the same affect. All it proves is that anything conducting measurements (eyes, ears, other human senses, non human senses) can do it.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

in practice this man is saying that life and death space-time universe are just illusions created by the mind and for all we know will cease to exist along with us after death .. I do not know about you, but I see a slight contradiction in this theory





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