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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 11:50 PM

It's a question that's perplexed philosophers for centuries and scientists for decades: Where does consciousness come from? We know it exists, at least in ourselves. But how it arises from chemistry and electricity in our brains is an unsolved mystery.

http://www.wired.com...sciousness/all/

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:07 AM

When I find myself contemplating this I always tend to travel back to childhood and pull apart the various veils that cloaked 'boring' (too complex) thoughts in favour of fun and frolicking, children and animals are more acutely aware than adult human beings, they have clarity of direction despite not being in control of their environments, they make believe they are, there's some kinda streamlined projection/purpose in a fragile layer around our shells that we burn away as we mature and branch out into our societies, don't get me wrong, trynna live with an infant's mindset or animal's skillset in our world is doomed for failure but we kinda trim and trade primitive rapport for practical profit.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:30 AM

I've always been of the opinion of our consciousness being the end result of a "hive-mind" system of our individual brain cells.  If we were a single form of thought with no variation, why would we ever be indecisive about anything?

edit: Just read the article, and I like his theory that even the internet could potentially be conscious as a simple law of the universe.

Edited by Wickian, 17 November 2013 - 02:13 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:25 AM

I was just wondering today where our consciousness goes when we die


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:33 AM

I just woke up with it...

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:35 AM

Great question. No one, I think, really knows the answer but it has fascinated me my entire life. I think it is all about the neural net in your brain. As far as where our consciousness goes when we die? Same place the light goes when a light bulb burns out. It's just not being generated any more.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:45 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 17 November 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

Great question. No one, I think, really knows the answer but it has fascinated me my entire life. I think it is all about the neural net in your brain. As far as where our consciousness goes when we die? Same place the light goes when a light bulb burns out. It's just not being generated any more.

`Is this the same if we are unconscious do you think?


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:52 AM

View Posttaniwha, on 17 November 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

`Is this the same if we are unconscious do you think?
I don't think it's the same exactly but similar. Kind of like a light on a rheostat dimmer switch to further the analogy.In death the connections are broken, in unconsciousness just powered down, so to speak, though the sub-conscious coming out in dreams is a whole different mystery.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:10 AM

As a developing unborn we slowly evolve the tools we need to be aware of our being, so it makes sense to some degree that consciousness and intelligence might be inherited.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:18 AM

View Posttaniwha, on 17 November 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

As a developing unborn we slowly evolve the tools we need to be aware of our being, so it makes sense to some degree that consciousness and intelligence might be inherited.
I agree but I think it's more complex than that at least as far as intelligence as I think environment plays a major role as well


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:25 AM

It is interesting that identical twins display some sort of Bi-consciousness, for lack of a better description


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:38 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 17 November 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

I agree but I think it's more complex than that at least as far as intelligence as I think environment plays a major role as well

http://www.unexplain...kK14&tid=257929

I agree, though the line between intelligence and consciousness appears to be closing


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:50 AM

View Posttaniwha, on 17 November 2013 - 04:38 AM, said:

http://www.unexplain...kK14&tid=257929

I agree, though the line between intelligence and consciousness appears to be closing
Excellent link. I saw something on this recently on the science channel. Fascinating stuff. Obviously machines are capable of exhibiting intelligence. Some might dispute this but the fact that machines can beat the best humans in chess now speaks volumes to me. Self awareness I'm not so sure of though I suspect it will one day happen.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:18 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 17 November 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

Great question. No one, I think, really knows the answer but it has fascinated me my entire life. I think it is all about the neural net in your brain. As far as where our consciousness goes when we die? Same place the light goes when a light bulb burns out. It's just not being generated any more.

I'd like to think our consciousness is more like the electricity, the light bulb is our brain and body and the light is our individual ego depending on the color, strength and connection to the energy source. The individual bulb may go out as you said, but the source of consciousness is still there.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:25 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 18 November 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

I'd like to think our consciousness is more like the electricity, the light bulb is our brain and body and the light is our individual ego depending on the color, strength and connection to the energy source. The individual bulb may go out as you said, but the source of consciousness is still there.
That is certainly one view but I can't agree. I think the source of the consciousness is the neural net in the brain itself. When this is broken the light fades away. If the brain is not the source of consciousness, what is?






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