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#1    seeder

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:12 PM

Spanish ship in 'heated' standoff with Royal Navy in Gibraltar

A Spanish survey ship has defied repeated orders from British forces to leave Gibraltar waters

Spain risked provoking a serious diplomatic incident on Tuesday after sending a survey ship into Gibraltar's territorial waters and defying orders to leave by the Royal Navy.

The Ramon Margalef, a 164ft oceanographic survey ship entered British Gibraltar Territorial Waters around 5pm on Monday and was still there Tuesday afternoon despite repeated orders by British Royal Navy patrol boat HMS Sabre to leave.

"We are in the unpleasant situation of a stand-off," a source from Gibraltar's authorities told the Daily Telegraph. "This is an incursion of the worst kind and the most serious incident since August."

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:38 PM

Silly lot. If they want to be provocative, as they obviously do, the thing to do would be to take notice of them at all. Then if (say) they thought they could try their luck at more and more provocations, then one day a patrol boat would pop up with a loaded machine gun pointed at them. They couldn't say it was unprovoked, could they.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:51 PM

They want a negative reaction from Gibraltar so Spain can go the EU or UN about it.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:01 PM

Get all the British tourists /holiday makers in Spain to boycott their bloody awful San Miguel beer,and only visit British bars and their economy will go down the pan, which would really screw them up.Por Nada.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:03 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 19 November 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

They want a negative reaction from Gibraltar so Spain can go the EU or UN about it.

Why are they bothering? The EU has already indicated which side it's on. (Surprise surprise!)

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:17 PM

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:18 PM

View Postealdwita, on 19 November 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Why are they bothering? The EU has already indicated which side it's on. (Surprise surprise!)
  yep they side with the Spanish and the other 25 countries, nobody loves us WE don't care.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:24 PM

If this had been an incursion by a jet into airspace, and had remained there despite repeated warnings, it would have been shot down (and rightfully so). I think some clarification needs to be put out as to how many warnings a boat will receive before the warnings run out and it's removed against it's will (so to speak) is needed, so it puts an end to this childish nonsense once and for all.

Edited by Sky Scanner, 19 November 2013 - 05:25 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:28 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 19 November 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Get all the British tourists /holiday makers in Spain to boycott their bloody awful San Miguel beer,and only visit British bars and their economy will go down the pan, which would really screw them up.Por Nada.

I don't understand why we can't make life difficult for them until they've learn't their place. The word should go out from the Prime Minister that the appropriate way for people to show their annoyance at Spain would be for them to go on holiday next year to Portugal, France or Italy but not to their country.

That would just about finish off the people in that country that actually have a job.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:38 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 19 November 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

yep they side with the Spanish and the other 25 countries, nobody loves us WE don't care.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:35 PM

View Postealdwita, on 19 November 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Why are they bothering? The EU has already indicated which side it's on. (Surprise surprise!)

exactly -  the EU's findings from their investigation which found in favour of Spanish actions at Gibraltars border has only given the Spanish more bravado, but why should we be surprised by any of it. Spain's history of democracy can be counted in decades not centuries. their economy is down the pan, along with unemployment and youth unemployment, they are a nation in crisis - Spain is trying to divert its peoples attentions away from the failings of the Spanish government. its a tactic used time and time again by the dagoes distracting them with a common enemy, that being the United Kingdom.

the worst thing we can do is get hot under the collar and overreact - turning what's NOT even a mole hill into a mountain. Okay they are bobbing about in our waters but what are they achieving? nothing in the grand scheme of things.

we'll get our own back, bide our time.

just for the record i'd love nothing more than to blow any Spanish boat/ship out the water, after repeated warnings.


the sooner the people of the UK wake up to the fact were being hoodwinked by the whole EU experiment the better. these countries who pretend to be our closest allies are far from it. mark my words.

Edited by stevewinn, 19 November 2013 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:12 PM

Blimey a 164ft survey ship has entered our waters.  I bet our armed forces are quaking in their boots!

If sabre rattling is the thing the Royal Navy could produce a new artificial reef at any moment.  We should just give them the bird and laugh at them.


This the best threat they can come up with?

Edited by skookum, 19 November 2013 - 07:15 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:22 PM

And how much is this going to cost us British tax payers?
Dear oh dear, if the Royal Navy want to protect bits of water and seek out who is floating across them, then they can come right back here and start in the Channel.........................oh wait, sorry, too late.

Edited by freetoroam, 19 November 2013 - 07:24 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Postskookum, on 19 November 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Blimey a 164ft survey ship has entered our waters.


Haha agreed, (but the HMS Sabre is the smaller of the two - only 52ft long)

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:39 PM

That patch of water is notorious lurking ground for the Astute class.



A class of submarine so silent that the Americans were 'astonished' that it was not only able to to detect, but creep up on their very secretly designed hunter killer class subs,   So much they have considered ditching nuclear reactors in favour of a Swedish design.

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