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#736    cladking

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 02:38 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 10 June 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

CO2 can not be the eruption or part of it.  The blast is referred to as a fiery blast with associated flame.  CO2 not only does not burn but extinguishes flames.  So if it were the soul of SHU it would actually extinguish the flame and prevent the fiery blast.

Here are a couple more that show how the mks-sceptre is actually kept burning
from things that would normally be expected to extinguish a flame;

#1089 I will prepare your path in the sky, and its waters will come down so
that you may navigate your bark in it by night.  

The "path of N" is what allows N to keep the fire-pan bright.  Ancient Egypt
would often be pitch black at night so a flame was absolutely necessary to see.

#1094 I have swamped the fire, I have lightened the darkness among those who come
with offerings when ma'at is brought to him who crosses the waterway.

It is N who lightens the darkness by "swamping" the fire. It is "balance" which is
achieved to build the pyramid.

The firepan (mks-sceptre) was a floating oil lamp and was designed so it would
burn out if the water wasn't roiled by the continuing eruption.  It sat on a film of
oil in the water atop the pyramid and when it rocked violently it burned.



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Posted 22 June 2014 - 04:20 AM

View Postcladking, on 01 December 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Like much scientific theory I'm continuing to make progress on almost all fronts.  Since those
questions were first posed there has been warm springs across the river brought to light.  More
importantly a ben ben stone was found in the Sphinx Temple;

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I can't begin to tell you just how remarkable I find this!!  The author (Robert Temple) says that
the accretion appears to be "bubbling up from below" and even compared it to the "efflux of osiris".

http://www.egyptiand...o/chapter7.html

This work really need to be done by many scholars and they need to be working with data and other
science that isn't being gathered or addressed.

It seems that since most geologists never heard of CO2 geysers that they are not the ideal place
to turn in this instance.  My guess is that this will most readily be solved by various chemical means
and geologists can, can at best, be consulted for corroboration. Again as I answered the first time the
questions were posed that there is lots of circumstantial physical evidence but there's simply no such
thing as an expert in extinct CO2 geysers.  This is not a specialty of anyone and the closest thing to
it would be a geologist who studies minerals ansd stone laid down by all sorts of geysers and hydraulic
processes.  Most of these people would have more experience with geysers that have been extinct
for millions of years rather than mere thousands.

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Let's examine ALL of what Mr. Temple said about this pic,  and I'm quoting ENTIRE caption of pic from his website:"SUPPLEMENTARY PLATE 7-62.
A closeup of the very strange hole opening into the southern so-called ‘water drainage channel’ in the Sphinx Temple. The massive limestone block lying on top makes access and proper inspection of this channel difficult for anyone larger than a rodent, and although I know some people who might qualify for that description, I would not trust their judgement. The bizarre red, white, and yellow mineral encrustations here are puzzling, and I cannot explain them. I looked at them as closely as I could, and the more closely I looked the more puzzled I became. They seem to be bubbling up from something, with layers of encrustation being successively deposited on top of earlier layers. Perhaps the ‘efflux of Osiris’ is leaking upwards."
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First of all, it IS a water drainage channel, NOT a so-called 'water drainage channel'. He admits that proper inspection of this mineral deposit is difficult, and he admits he IS puzzled, and can't explain them. Then he says, "THEY SEEM TO BE..." and "PERHAPS". He is just giving HIS opinion, no more.

IN REALITY, this IS NOT a Ben-Ben stone, but this IS a mineral deposit formed by water dripping DOWN FROM ABOVE over many centuries, hence the need for a water drainage channel @ this location. Also, very similar mineral formations are seen in caves thru-out the world. As memory serves, cma has previously posted info relevant to how limestone is slowly dissolved by water which drips down and forms stalagtites and stalagmites in caves

P.S. There are NO CO2, water, or any other type of geysers @ the Giza Plateau, and there were NO CO2, water, or any other type of geysers @ Giza during the time of Pyramid construction. (But there were ramps.)

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 02:32 PM

View Postscorpiosonic, on 22 June 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:


First of all, it IS a water drainage channel, NOT a so-called 'water drainage channel'. He admits that proper inspection of this mineral deposit is difficult, and he admits he IS puzzled, and can't explain them. Then he says, "THEY SEEM TO BE..." and "PERHAPS". He is just giving HIS opinion, no more.

IN REALITY, this IS NOT a Ben-Ben stone, but this IS a mineral deposit formed by water dripping DOWN FROM ABOVE over many centuries, hence the need for a water drainage channel @ this location. Also, very similar mineral formations are seen in caves thru-out the world. As memory serves, cma has previously posted info relevant to how limestone is slowly dissolved by water which drips down and forms stalagtites and stalagmites in caves

P.S. There are NO CO2, water, or any other type of geysers @ the Giza Plateau, and there were NO CO2, water, or any other type of geysers @ Giza during the time of Pyramid construction. (But there were ramps.)

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It's amusing how certain you are in your conclusions, while the rest of the world (except the entrenched cadre of academic Egyptologists) remains doubtful.  Is there anything at all that you don't know about the Giza Plateau and it's constructions?

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 04:25 PM

View Postbendigger0, on 22 June 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

It's amusing how certain you are in your conclusions, while the rest of the world (except the entrenched cadre of academic Egyptologists) remains doubtful.  Is there anything at all that you don't know about the Giza Plateau and it's constructions?

Your bait is stale, but I'll play anyway.

No ONE knows everything. :P

The evidence is right here, but of course, you won't accept it. Cue the JL, 'and keep on playin those miiiiiind games, for-ever...' :whistle:

It's been fun, I'm out.  :) Have a nice day. :)

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:44 PM

Clad... do you have time to comment on the Abu Rawash pyramid?  The fact of it's being on a high place would seem to negate the idea of using "ramps and ropes" in it's construction.  Any thoughts at all you have will be appreciated.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 04:50 AM

I know I owe the thread a few posts and hope to get caught up soon.

View Postbendigger0, on 24 June 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Clad... do you have time to comment on the Abu Rawash pyramid?  The fact of it's being on a high place would seem to negate the idea of using "ramps and ropes" in it's construction.  Any thoughts at all you have will be appreciated.

I don't have a strong opinion on Abu Rawash.  I'm not sure this site has even been figured out
since it's not like other pyramids.  It's interesting that if a pyramid were built of the apparent size
that is laid out, the top would be at the same altitude as the Gizamids.

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 02:06 AM

Anybody can understand the ancient language. It must first be accepted that it is formatted differently and is metaphysical but even if this isn't accepted it's still possible to take some meaning from it. This is most easily seen in how the ancients defined nature and man. The language was not descriptive so they didn't use descriptions of things but rather "named" them. This means that the "titles" we see of their dead weren't necessarily titles per se but actually definitions of the deceased. In aggregate they define who these people were. To understand a process completely an ancient needed to understand each of its names.

The exact same things applied to their "gods" because gods were actually just aspects of nature; natural phenomena. Each part of nature they understood stood in the pantheon beneath the parent concept and above the concepts derived from it, its children.

1607a. To say: Osiris N., thy mother Nut has spread herself over thee, in her name of "She of Št-p.t";

1608a. she has protected thee against all evil things, in her name of "Great Sieve" (protectress).

741c. she carried thee to heaven, in her name of "Kite,"

616e. she has embraced thee, in her name of "Grave";
616f. thou art brought to her, in her name of Maṣṭaba."

616b. in her name of "ŚŠȝ.t, lady of builders."

620b. Horus has set thee up, in his name of "Ḥnw-boat"

633a. Thou art pleased with him, in his name of "Spirit who was in the Dndr.w-boat";
633b. he avenges thee, in his name of "Horus, the son, who avenges his father."

1636b. Horus the pointed has come forth from thee, in his name of "Horus who was in Sothis."
1637a. Thou art pleased with him, in his name of "Spirit who was in the dndr.w-boat";
1637b. Horus has avenged thee, in his name of "Horus, the son, who avenges his father."

1657d. be not far from him, in his name of "Pyramid."
...
1658d. O Horus, like thy father, Osiris, in his name of, "He of the royal castle,"

138c. thou descendest on firm (copper?) cables, on the shoulders of Horus in his name of "He who is in the Ḥnw-boat."

2185b. in (his) name of "Wȝg-(offering)."

767b. Horus is indeed a soul, for he recognizes his father in thee, in his name of "Ḥr-bȝ-’iti-rp.t."

for) the neck of N. is on his trunk, in his name of "Head-attacher,"
2208a. ---------------------- [in his name] of Rē‘.

It's a wonder Egyptology never noted that there's something different about the language.

Rather than trying to explain all these concepts and their interrelatedness let me try focusing on a single one. Sekhmet is a feminine concept because "she" is derived from the ability to contain water. Rather than defining the nature of "sekhmet" which can't be done in the ancient language, they named her.

"Sekhmet" like all their gods had numerous titles because all of the titles were required for a complete understanding. Any one title could be a partial understanding but specialists and "seers" (priests) would need to understand each and all of the titles. Any lack of understanding would affect the individual's behavior and might lead to accidents and missteps. Sekhmet's titles come down to us in a changed condition because the concept of "sekhmet" continued to evolve even after the change in language. Also many of the words of the builders are not properly translated and this applies to ALL of the scientific terms. Many of these scientific terms don't have a good translation outside of math and some are not mathematical in nature. This means the term must be described for modern people.

Here is the "definition" of "sekhmet" in somewhat confused language;

Sekhmet, Great One of Magic
Mother of the Gods
One Who Was Before The Gods Were
Lady Of The Place Of The Beginning of Time
Beloved of Ra, Her Father
Beloved of Bast, Her Sister
Beloved of Ptah, Her Husband-Brother
At Whose Wish The Arts Were Born
Beautiful Eye Which Giveth Life To The Two Lands
Beautiful Face, Image Most Beloved By Art
Flaming One
Sovereign of Ra, Her Father
Protectress Of The Gods
Lady of the Scarlet-Colored Garment
Pure One
Destroyer of Rebellions
Eye of Ra
Eye of Heru (Horus)
Pre-Eminent One In The Boat Of Millions Of Years
Roamer of Deserts
Wanderer in the Wastes
Self-Contained
Only One
Awakener
Lady of Enchantments
Opener of Ways
Lady Of Transformations
Lady Of The Many Faces
Enrapturing One
Giver Of Ecstasies
Satisfier Of Desires
Inspirer of Men
Victorious One In Battles
Overcomer Of All Enemies
Ruler Of The Desert
Ruler Of Serpents And Of Dragons
Ruler Of Lions
Sublime One
Enlightener
Empowerer
Sparkling One
Great One Of Heka
Lady Of The Magic Lamp
Mother Of The Dead
Lady Of The Bloodbath
Destroyer By Plagues
Great One of Healing
Destroyer By Fire
Lady Of The Waters Of Life
Mistress And Lady Of The Tomb
Great One In The Places Of Judgement And Execution
Guide And Protectress From The Perils Of The Underworld
Great One Of The Place Of Appearances In Silence
Lady Of The Way of Five Bodies
Unrivaled And Invincible One
Ruler Of The Chamber Of Flames
The Source
She Whose Opportunity Escapeth Her Not
Winged One
Powerful Of Heart
The Aware
The Gleaming One
Queen Of The Venerable Ones
Sekhmet, Who Rouseth The People
Lady Of Jubilation
Adorable One
Shining Of Countenance
Mother Of Images
Incomparable One
Lady Of Intoxications
Mightier Than The Gods
Most Beautiful
Most Strong
Great One Of Laws
Protectress Of The Divine Order
The One Who Holds Back Darkness
The Beautiful Light
Warrior Netjert (Goddess)
Goddess of Love
Great One In Heaven
Great Serpent On The Head Of Her Father
Great One Of The Incense Of The Ennead
Great Lady of The House of Life
Queen Of The Venerable Ones
Lady Of The House Of Books
Devouring One
Sekhmet Of The Knives
Burner Of Evildoers
The One Before Whom Evil Trembles
Terrible One
Lady Of All Powers
Eternal As Her Father
Lady Of The Manifold Adornments
Most Beautiful Among The Gods
Bountiful One
Sekhmet Who Gives Joys
Unwavering, Loyal One
Beloved Teacher
Beloved Sekhmet

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To aid understanding of these titles understanding of this I've converted the titles back to standard English. Now I'll group them by modern concepts.

Self-Contained
Satisfier Of Desires
Empowerer
Lady Of The Waters Of Life
Sparkling One
The Source
Winged One
Mightier Than The Gods
Most Beautiful
Most Strong
Great Lady of The House of Life
Lady Of All Powers

Ruler Of Lions
Great One In The Places Of Judgement And Execution
Great Serpent On The Head Of Her Father
Ruler Of Serpents And Of Dragons

The last three need explanation. The first 12 all define the same attribute of "sekhmet" but it's hard to see it because we don't think this way. They define "power" or "potential energy". At the very least it might be said that power and potential energy are not excluded from what "sekhmet" is and that almost all other concepts can be excluded. It will require all 100 names to exclude all other concepts to the knowledge of the ancient Egyptians. These names are a beginning to define a specific power source. This power was derived from the two lions (shu and tefnut) who brought the water which is sekhmet and allowed this power to become kinetic energy. This power was also used to execute prisoners apparently and it is a serpent like all movement of fluids. Her father is "re" because what propels the water to go up is CO2 which is a soilar element.

Lady Of The Place Of The Beginning of Time
Pre-Eminent One In The Boat Of Millions Of Years
Roamer of Deserts
Wanderer in the Wastes
Ruler Of The Desert
Great One Of The Place Of Appearances In Silence
Great Lady of The House of Life
Lady Of The House Of Books
Mistress And Lady Of The Tomb

Guide And Protectress From The Perils Of The Underworld

Since sekhmet exists only on the pyramid or mastab top her location is part of the definition. Any body of water anywhere is not "sekhmet". She is first in the boat of re because the boat of re sails north and she is in the bow of the boat. She exists in the desert which is held back by opening the doors that allows water to flow. She exists in silence even as (she herself) the tempest roars. She is the force that builds mastabas (and more importantly pyramids). She is the degassed (and degassing) water from the geyser so protects from the perils of the geyser (mistakenly translated as "underworld" or "duat").

"Zep tepi" was the beginning of time and occurred right at her feet.

"Sekhmet" also provide the power that kept the "fire-pan" burning. The fire-pan signaled the builders when it was still dark in the morning to arise and report to work;

Utterance 343.
558a. To say: Bdš.t comes; the fire-pan burns.
558b. Those with (ready) hands stand to give an offering to N.

This means she also has titles that define her functions as the natural phenomenon that alerts the men to report for work;

Lady Of The Magic Lamp
Sekhmet, Great One of Magic
Awakener
Enlightener
Great One Of Heka
Lady Of The Many Faces
Ruler Of The Chamber Of Flames
Shining Of Countenance
Mother Of Images
The One Who Holds Back Darkness
The Beautiful Light

Keep in mind that using this same process I can show that "magic" actually means scientific observation. Even though the tri-lobed disc is almost "pure magic" from modern perspective, it was just something observed from ancient perspective. "Heka" is observation so everywhere you see this word or magic they meant the same thing.

Curiously there is one family relationship that doesn't seem to have survived in the record. This is because virtually nothing whatsoever did survive and this was a relatively minor though obvious relationship. "Renennutet" is a passage between the upper eye and the "chamber of flames" that transported CO2 to help keep the fire-pan afloat. As such she is the daughter of sekhmet. This could have been confused after the language change since rennenutet could be mistaken as the "wadjet" (the natural sepent at the lower eye) which is sometimes called her daughter. The wadjet is in a sense her daughter as well but this connection is more tenuous.

These names all have a lot of subtlety as well. Much of it should be visible to those trying to follow this. To differentiate "sekhmet" from all other concept there are more terms needed. I'll try to address these singly;

Mother of the Gods; the pyramid building processes can't exist until she does.
Beloved of Ptah, Her Husband-Brother; she makes "craftsmanship" possible
Beautiful Face, Image Most Beloved By Art; the perspective of much ancient art was sekhmet's
Lady of the Scarlet-Colored Garment; the bottom third of the pyramid was stained red with siderite (the blood spilled by sekhmet)
Lady Of The Bloodbath; the water is red in the early season
Pure One; all purification first affected sekhmet
Opener of Ways; some of these are self explanatory; sekhmet defined the routes of the funiculars; she opened the way just as wepwawet or the eye of horus
She Whose Opportunity Escapeth Her Not; she is never wasted
Devouring One; she eats stones, horuses
Queen Of The Venerable Ones; she rules the venerable pyramid builders; very few people were allowed to build and they had to earn the right.
Queen Of The Venerable Ones; those seeing sekhmet are reduced to silence
Sublime One; from a distance sekhmet is sublime; stones fly 300' at a time
Eternal As Her Father; they want sekhmet to live as long as the sun

I didn't do a lot of these because anyone following will find them self explanatory or because a few are apparently confusions from later eras that I can't decode. It's not only the authors of the book of the dead that confused the ancient science but Egyptologists translate their ideas into English as well. There are only a few of these so if anyone needs an explanation I'd be happy to provide it.

Each of these titles (names) provide definition for the potential energy/ power that is "sekhmet". In aggregate they define what sekhmet is. This is the way ancient people thought and the shm-sceptre operator on top of the pyramid could easily rattle off her names. He understood the relationships between each of the names and their understanding of nature. This understanding of nature was the basis of the language. In other words "dumb" people would still know who sekhmet was but might only know a few of her names and wouldn't understand the relationships as well.

It's not just a different way of talking, it's a completely different way of thinking. Perhaps people who think in modern language will better follow this post than my previous attempts.

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 02:57 PM

When we describe what a "TV" is we use words that attempt to define the concept. We might talk about broadcast or digital TV or even include things seen on a "TV" like a streamed movie or a video game. We might describe how the system used to work or talk about the latest technology but we'll describe processes and infrastructure rather than simply "naming" it.

In the ancient language the "god" Teevee would really be the "natural phenomenon of vision at a distance" and this "god" would not be desrcibed but would be named.

Consumer of Juice
The Father of Home Entertainment
Idiot Box
That Which Scans
Flickering Lights
Lies to Buy by
Room Warmer
Home of Weird Hair Guy
Window to Another World
Place of Diodes...

The problem here is that if language still worked this way the names of the god "TeeVee" would require reems of paper because everything that's known about TV's wouldn't fit on a temple or carved into the largest tombs. So we describe what a TV is and name it according to traditions and rituals that involve heavy use of ancient Greek.

The more things change the more they stay exactly the same.

We are blinded by our knowledge. Ancient people were made powerful by their knowledge. They built pyramids and we're afraid to figure out how they did it.





I'll get to the posts I owe the thread ASAP.

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:12 PM

View Postscorpiosonic, on 22 June 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:


First of all, it IS a water drainage channel, NOT a so-called 'water drainage channel'. He admits that proper inspection of this mineral deposit is difficult, and he admits he IS puzzled, and can't explain them. Then he says, "THEY SEEM TO BE..." and "PERHAPS". He is just giving HIS opinion, no more.

I have no clue what you're referring to by "water drainage channel".  There is no such thing
here nor a so called one.

Of course inspection is difficult or a tourist would have already destroyed it.  Temple isn't claim-
ing to know anything and is merely providing a picture.  That it is a picture of something that
might prove water was used to build the pyramid is irrelevant.

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IN REALITY, this IS NOT a Ben-Ben stone, but this IS a mineral deposit formed by water dripping DOWN FROM ABOVE over many centuries, hence the need for a water drainage channel @ this location.

He said it appears to be bubbling up from below.  Why would you doubt an eyewitness especially
since it even appears to be exactly what he said?

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:14 PM

View Postbendigger0, on 22 June 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

It's amusing how certain you are in your conclusions, while the rest of the world (except the entrenched cadre of academic Egyptologists) remains doubtful.  Is there anything at all that you don't know about the Giza Plateau and it's constructions?

Zahi Hawass once said that there was nothing about the Giza Plateau he didn't know.

I know virtually nothing at all and I'm confident there are hundreds of things I know that
he doesn't.  He said there were no caves at Giza and then was led into one on interna-
tional television.

I'm sure glad I don't know everything.

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 10:30 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 31 May 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:


2122a. O N., he is purified;
2122b (Nt. 821-822). I take the rudder, I am glad of my seat on the shoulder of the sky;
2122c. N. voyages on the shoulder of the sky;
2122d. N. directs his rudder on the shoulder of the sky.
2123a. O my father, O Re, concerning these things which thou hast said:
2123b. "O that I had a son who is glorified, who dawns, who is a soul, is honoured, is mighty,
2123c. whose arm is stretched out, whose stride is wide."
2124a. Behold me, I am thy son, behold I am N.
2124b. I am glorified, I dawn (or, am crowned), I am a soul, I am honoured, I am mighty;
2125a. I am purified;
2125b (Nt. 825). I take my rudder, I am glad of my seat in company with the Ennead;
2125c (Nt. 826). I voyage with the Ennead;
2125d (Nt. 826). I direct my rudder in company with the Ennead.

2122a, c and d should be seen as nothing more than Re's observations as to the kings status at the time followed by the kings further responses in return. In no way does this invalidate what I've said earlier about the kings spirit having a part in giving a required response to the gods, whether one or more. What it does invalidate is your attempt to take portions of these texts out of context in order to claim you actually know what they said and meant, when it's pattently obvious that you're completely oblivious to their meaning and usage.

I've looked at this from every single angle I can think of looking at it and it
always comes down to the same thing; these utterances only support ortho-
dox interpretations when things are taken out of context.  Sure, you could
find a short utterance that supports your interpretation but otherwise these
simply seem to change the subject everytime a new perspective is assumed.

The utterance simply can't support your belief that this was words recited by
king to get into heaven.  The PT is very clear about how the king gets to hea-
ven and nowhere does it say he needs to recite words.  "To say" at the begin-
ning of utterances is hardly sufficient to show these are magical words to be
recited by dead kings.  If they were then the king would usually be referring to
himself in the third person just as in the utterance you quoted.

I can't prove the meaning here only because the meaning of nothing at all can
be proven in modern language.  Everything can be deconstructed and each
person takes his own meaning.

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 03:20 AM

View Postcladking, on 29 October 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

I have no clue what you're referring to by "water drainage channel".  There is no such thing
here nor a so called one.

Of course inspection is difficult or a tourist would have already destroyed it.  Temple isn't claim-
ing to know anything and is merely providing a picture.  That it is a picture of something that
might prove water was used to build the pyramid is irrelevant.



He said it appears to be bubbling up from below.  Why would you doubt an eyewitness especially
since it even appears to be exactly what he said?

My point was there IS a water drainage channel located just below, Temple calls it a 'so-called wdc'. I suggest you reread his/my comments posted above.
He's speculating wildly about something he can't see very well, typical fringe lunacy.

So, the pic is now 'irrelevant'...hmmm, you've posted this pic many times in this thread trying to support your half-baked geyser theory, BUT now it's irrelevant?!? (Maybe you should go back and reread what YOU stated.)

I doubt his account because he IS a fringer, and because he admits he can't see it very well. He's speculating wildly, giving his (misguided) opinion, and it appearing to be exactly what he said is your opinion, no more.


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Posted 30 October 2014 - 03:42 AM

View Postscorpiosonic, on 30 October 2014 - 03:20 AM, said:

My point was there IS a water drainage channel located just below, Temple calls it a 'so-called wdc'. I suggest you reread his/my comments posted above.
He's speculating wildly about something he can't see very well, typical fringe lunacy.

So, the pic is now 'irrelevant'...hmmm, you've posted this pic many times in this thread trying to support your half-baked geyser theory, BUT now it's irrelevant?!? (Maybe you should go back and reread what YOU stated.)

I doubt his account because he IS a fringer, and because he admits he can't see it very well. He's speculating wildly, giving his (misguided) opinion, and it appearing to be exactly what he said is your opinion, no more.

The fact that this "growth" might be sufficient to prove the pyramids were built with
water is irrelevant to the fact it exists.  It's also irrelevant to Mr Temple because there's
ne reason to think he believes it might prove how the pyramids were built.

What's important here and what is relevant is that this object is here and according to
the picture itself and the eyewitness who snapped the photo it appears water is coming
up from below.  This suggests this is an accretion from the water.  This is what's rele-
vant and not my beliefs and not your beliefs.

Understanding reality is the goal and my contention is that this photo is a major step
to understanding the reality.  It is consistent with the theory that they used water to build
the pyramids and is not consistent with debunked ramps.

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 03:46 AM

View Postscorpiosonic, on 30 October 2014 - 03:20 AM, said:

My point was there IS a water drainage channel located just below, Temple calls it a 'so-called wdc'. I suggest you reread his/my comments posted above.


You're right about the "wdc".

I'm not very familiar with this area of the temple and the only "canal" I'm aware of in the area is
on the other side of the Sphinx at the G2 causeway.

Water handling devices are very poorly delineated in the literature.  I'm simply not familiar with this
specific one.

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 02:20 PM

View Postcladking, on 29 October 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

... Ancient people were made powerful by their knowledge. They built pyramids and we're afraid to figure out how they did it.

It is commonly taught that the finer looking pyramids were built by the latter Dynasties of Egypt, while the ones that looked like rubble were the primitive ones, whereas it is the opposite way around. Some researchers have proven that later pyramids were even built from the stones of preexisting structures.

The earliest pyramids in Egypt were the great ones in Cairo, that we typically think of. And the number of people involved in this project was no bigger than a village or tribe. This is what I was told by Bedouin Arabs.
The smaller and poorer looking structures were built later on, the further down in history the worse they looked and the greater number of people were used to build them.
Some of the greater structures were built by technology which was generally known about by the whole tribe, but with later generations this knowledge was only known by the few, while the general populace used hard labor and slavery to do much less impressive jobs.
The concept of the pyramid was reduced by religion and ignorance down to a burial mound, which is today's interpretation as well.
There was fear associated with their building, because those in power held it over them, yet even those in power either destroyed themselves through using this technology, or lost it to robbers as well as ignorance. The tools used for moving large stones became symbols of power, and had no more use to those in power then a lamp stand, because they did not know how to activate them or build one.
Those tools were always of interest to those who knew what they could do with them. The pyramids once contained these items and were sealed off, only to be robbed centuries later, by people who left all the gold and treasures behind, only wanting the tools. No body could figure out why these hard working robbers left the goods behind.

It is true that these ancient people derived their knowledge from guiding principles of thought, which we sometimes call metaphysical.
These trains of thought are generally not followed by the majority, hence it was fairly easy to keep it secret, but the original builders of the great pyramids, knew exactly what they were doing and why.






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