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#1    LostSouls7

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:31 AM

How can people still deny the extenience of ghosts?
General Andrew Jackson saw and felt it and left that haunted house.

Here is the documentary.
It's pretty scary. I had never heard of this ghost until now.
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Posted 27 November 2013 - 02:52 AM

I've heard of the Bell Witch many times there have been movies based on the legend. But I don't believe in ghosts or the Bell Witch just legends


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:00 AM

Andrew Jackson was certifiable, so I don't think he's exactly the best case for evidence.

Admittedly I havent watched the video yet, im at work and can't but i will once im free to provide more feedback.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 06:22 AM

As a slave owner and what with his policies on the removal of several Indian tribes, it would only be natural that this man be haunted, but these were not ghosts he saw and felt, it was his own brain playing tricks on what was already a very sick brain..

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 06:41 AM

View PostKelevra, on 27 November 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

Andrew Jackson was certifiable, so I don't think he's exactly the best case for evidence.

Admittedly I havent watched the video yet, im at work and can't but i will once im free to provide more feedback.

Yes but the whole family felt the ghost...
and so did Andrew Jackson?

do you think they were all sick with the same mental illness ?

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 06:55 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 27 November 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

Yes but the whole family felt the ghost...
and so did Andrew Jackson?

do you think they were all sick with the same mental illness ?
Its like with most things, when you are among a certain kind of "style" of people, you tend to grow up or follow that "style" too, take religion, fashion and languages as examples.....and in this case, beliefs in ghosts.
When the whole family believe in it, it is not neccasarily mental illness, just indoctrinisation over the years. Families were a lot tightly knitted in those days and so where communities, so you probably find that the whole area, if they did not see it or felt it themselves..all believed in it.
But he was a crazy racist too though and personally the more he was tormented by his "ghosts" in his head, the better.

Edited by freetoroam, 27 November 2013 - 06:56 AM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 06:57 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 27 November 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:



Yes but the whole family felt the ghost...
and so did Andrew Jackson?

do you think they were all sick with the same mental illness ?

Wouldn't be the only case. They didn't just pull the term "mass hysteria" out of a hat.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 27 November 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

do you think they were all sick with the same mental illness ?

If by mental illness you mean "not wanting to tell the president who was notorious for shooting people  that hes crazy" then yes

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:08 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 27 November 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

As a slave owner and what with his policies on the removal of several Indian tribes, it would only be natural that this man be haunted, but these were not ghosts he saw and felt, it was his own brain playing tricks on what was already a very sick brain..
I guess it's only natural to be bitter about a man who kicked your country's ass every time he went up against them in battle.  Unlike King George, there is no evidence General Jackson was mentally ill.  You may not like the times he lived in or his actions therein, but he wasn't nuts unlike the Monarchy we defeated.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:11 AM

View PostKelevra, on 27 November 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

Andrew Jackson was certifiable, so I don't think he's exactly the best case for evidence.

Admittedly I havent watched the video yet, im at work and can't but i will once im free to provide more feedback.
Please provide some info backing up your claim that President Jackson was mentally ill.  Loose talk is cause for slander and libel lawsuits in this day and age.  Back then it would get you challenged to a duel when folks were more proactive about their reputations and the people who disparaged them.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:16 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 27 November 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

How can people still deny the extenience of ghosts?
General Andrew Jackson saw and felt it and left that haunted house.

Here is the documentary.
It's pretty scary. I had never heard of this ghost until now.
enjoy


President Jackson was a product of his times which were arguably less skeptical ones than today. Just his belief that the Bell Witch was real proves very little.  IMO it backs up a lot of other's opinion that something was going on.  Taken with Jackson's good reputation and formerly high positions in government and the military, it certainly adds a lot to anecdotal type proof.  In the end though, the times were much more attuned to subjective "proofs" than today.  IMO it is likely something was going on that involved the supernatural, but then again lots of folks believe in the tooth fairy too.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 02:28 PM

The entire Bell Witch story falls apart under even basic scrutiny.

For one, the whole story is based on a book written in 1894 by newspaper publisher Martin Van Buren Ingram which was allegedly based on the handwritten diary (which was never seen by anyone other than Ingram) of one of the Bell children who would have been around 6 when the incident allegedly happened and written in 1846 - roughly 30 years after the incident.  By the time Ingram wrote his book, everyone with first and even second hand knowledge of the alleged incident was dead.

Now if that scenario doesn't raise your skeptical antenna, I don't know what will.

There are also a number of claims in Ingrams book that simply don't add up.  Since Andrew Jackson was mentioned, I'll address that one.  Jacksons whereabouts during that time are well known and documented by historians, press accounts, his own writings, and though his many biographies.  There is ZERO evidence that he wa anywhere near Robertson County, TN, during that time.

For those interested, here are a couple of good podcasts that details the events of the Bell Witch and highlight the inconsistencies in the story:

http://www.skeptic.c...rtalk/13/01/23/

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4118

The Skeptoid episode is especially good as it breaks it all down in about 10 minutes.  The Monstertalk podcast is a bit more in depth.

Edited by Rafterman, 27 November 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

I didn't realize Jackson had an encounter with the Bell Witch...


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

View Postrashore, on 27 November 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I didn't realize Jackson had an encounter with the Bell Witch...

He didn't.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostRafterman, on 27 November 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

He didn't.

Lol Rafter... Let me rephrase... I didn't realize that part of the Bell Witch lore included Jackson purportedly having an encounter.





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