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#1    MoorWalks

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:55 PM

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Dennis Zotigh, a cultural specialist at the National Museum of the American Indian in Washington, won’t be celebrating Thanksgiving today the way most of us will. Neither will lots of other Native Americans.

Surprised? Then you’re way too close to the papier mache, elementary school version of the Thanksgiving feast, presented as a Disneyesque love fest between the Pilgrims and the Indians. Many American Indians don’t see it that way at all.

“It makes me really mad — the Thanksgiving myth and what happens on Friday,” said Zotigh, who is a Kiowa, Santee Dakota and Ohkay Owingeh Pueblo Indian.

Zotigh is tired of the stereotyping and romanticizing that comes with this day.

“The Thanksgiving myth has done so much damage and harm to the cultural self-esteem of generations of Indian people, including myself, by perpetuating negative and harmful images to both young Indian and non-Indian minds,” Zotigh wrote on the Smithsonian museum’s blog. “There are so many things wrong with the happy celebration that takes place in elementary schools and its association to American Indian culture; compromised integrity, stereotyping, and cultural misappropriation are three examples.”

Think about it: Thanksgiving is a pretty grim day in Native American history. After the native Americans helped the ragged colonists survive, they let them in on their tradition of a harvest feast.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 10:42 PM

Sir Oh, whats happened here? The words have gone all goggly.
Anyway, we got the link, thats ok on there.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:19 PM

The turkey linguistics expert got to it first ...

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 11:47 PM

I was trying to highlight the importance of the Native code breakers.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 12:12 AM

ahhh ... the wind talkers ... did they get to keep the medals I wonder ...

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:06 AM

They have been abused in countless ways.  Some in the flow of history simply get shoved aside and it has always been so.  That, of course, doesn't make it right but it does explain it's context.  I am about 1/6 Cherokee.  The strength of the native American is interwoven into a large part of the populations of the south and west especially.  The government treatment and the treatment from many Americans has been shameful and if any group actually deserved reparations from our historical injustices it would be these peoples.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:08 AM

Kind of hard to figure what reparation could be made for attempted genocide


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:12 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 29 November 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

Kind of hard to figure what reparation could be made for attempted genocide
Educational grants, free medical care, help with business startups.  All human beings sin.  Only some are ever willing to forgive it.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:14 AM

Funny, the Oneida owned Turning Stone casino didn't have any issues with having a huge Thanksgiving feast and plenty of deals to come in and gamble today.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:15 AM

How about a real estate deal ala the United Nations?    Let's uproot millions of Americans for the Lakota Homeland?   What?  You don't agree?  Well, clearly you're anti-Lakota.
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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:16 AM

I am not celebrating Thanksgiving. People should be thankful daily, hourly, from moment to moment.
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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:17 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 29 November 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

Kind of hard to figure what reparation could be made for attempted genocide

Who pays said reparations considering that the vast majority of us have some percentage of Native American blood running through our veins.  I'm 1/16th Cherokee myself - do I get 1/16th of what a full blooded Native American gets?  Or do I have to pay 1/16 less than some 100% African American?

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:36 AM

View Postand then, on 29 November 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

Educational grants, free medical care, help with business startups.  All human beings sin.  Only some are ever willing to forgive it.
Agreed, though I would like to see those things you mentioned for all Americans.


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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:42 AM

View PostRafterman, on 29 November 2013 - 02:17 AM, said:

Who pays said reparations considering that the vast majority of us have some percentage of Native American blood running through our veins.  I'm 1/16th Cherokee myself - do I get 1/16th of what a full blooded Native American gets?  Or do I have to pay 1/16 less than some 100% African American?
I don't know but I guess my point is that nothing could really make up for the way things went. It would be nice to see more attention paid to a native American national heritage day though.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 02:47 AM

Just be remembering the thanksgiving spirit all year round would be a good start ~

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' ... life and death carry on as they always have ~ and always will, only the dreamer is gone ~ behind the flow of imagination, beyond any effort to be still
dancing in the ebb and flow of attention, more present than the breath, I find the origins of my illusions, only the dreamer is gone ~ the dream never ends
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