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#1    sean6

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:24 AM

   Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist


The human species began as the hybrid offspring of a male pig and a female chimpanzee, a leading geneticist has suggested.
The startling claim has been made by Eugene McCarthy, of the University of Georgia, who is also one of the worlds leading authorities on hybridisation in animals.
He points out that while humans have many features in common with chimps, we also have a large number of distinguishing characteristics not found in any other primates.



http://www.dailymail...geneticist.html

Edited by sean6, 01 December 2013 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:27 AM

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:33 AM

I read it and it was so moronic it made me wanna puke profusely.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:50 AM

What is scary is that this msn is a leading geneticist at a university

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:00 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 01 December 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

What is scary is that this msn is a leading geneticist at a university
You have to remember, it's an American University.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:03 AM

So, basically a dismally bored (or very confused) monkey shagged a pig one day and now we have humans!
Well, there you go. Evolution just got tossed out the window.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:03 AM

Grunt oink oink, oh i mean wow, this dude is crazy but also a much acredited scientist. Maybe too smart for his own good. I mean really did he even think about what he was imlpying... Well hopefully no one actually buys this nonsense , even with his credentials

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:04 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 01 December 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

You have to remember, it's an American University.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:05 AM

That pig must've had mad game.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 03:24 AM

But...but...what about the bear? I mean, you need a bear to make a 'man/bear/pig', right? (makes about as much sense as this silly nonsense hypothesis)

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 05:51 AM

View PostLilly, on 01 December 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

But...but...what about the bear? I mean, you need a bear to make a 'man/bear/pig', right? (makes about as much sense as this silly nonsense hypothesis)
But man/bear/pig is real I tell you


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:11 AM

Initially the idea sounded extremely unlikely, but I went to the guy's site and started to read more.

http://www.macroevol...ml#.UprPnH-9KSM

There are many very interesting points he makes, and he develops his ideas in an easy to understand manner.

There are sidebars full of fascinating points, for example this one, which is:
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A list of traits distinguishing humans from other primates

DERMAL FEATURES
Naked skin (sparse pelage)
Panniculus adiposus (layer of subcutaneous fat)
Panniculus carnosus only in face and neck
In "hairy skin" region:
- Thick epidermis
- Crisscrossing congenital lines on epidermis
- Patterned epidermal-dermal junction
Large content of elastic fiber in skin
Thermoregulatory sweating
Richly vascularized dermis    
Normal host for the human flea (Pulex irritans)
Dermal melanocytes absent
Melanocytes present in matrix of hair follicle
Epidermal lipids contain triglycerides and free fatty acids

FACIAL FEATURES
Lightly pigmented eyes common
Protruding, cartilaginous mucous nose
Narrow eye opening
Short, thick upper lip
Philtrum/cleft lip
Glabrous mucous membrane bordering lips
Eyebrows
Heavy eyelashes
Earlobes

FEATURES RELATING TO BIPEDALITY
Short, dorsal spines on first six cervical vertebrae
Seventh cervical vertebrae:
- long dorsal spine
- transverse foramens
Fewer floating and more non-floating ribs
More lumbar vertebrae
Fewer sacral vertebrae
More coccygeal vertebrae (long "tail bone")
Centralized spine
Short pelvis relative to body length
Sides of pelvis turn forward
Sharp lumbo-sacral promontory
Massive gluteal muscles
Curved sacrum with short dorsal spines
Hind limbs longer than forelimbs
Femur:
- Condyles equal in size
- Knock-kneed
- Elliptical condyles
- Deep intercondylar notch at lower end of femur
- Deep patellar groove with high lateral lip
- Crescent-shaped lateral meniscus with two tibial insertions
Short malleolus medialis
Talus suited strictly for extension and flexion of the foot
Long calcaneus relative to foot (metatarsal) length
Short digits (relative to chimpanzee)
Terminal phalanges blunt (ungual tuberosities)
Narrow pelvic outlet

ORGANS
Diverticulum at cardiac end of stomach
Valves of Kerkring present in small intestines
Mesenteric arterial arcades
Multipyramidal kidneys
Heart auricles level
Tricuspid valve of heart
Laryngeal sacs absent
Vocal ligaments
Prostate encircles urethra
Bulbo-urethral glands present
Os penis (baculum) absent.
Hymen
Absence of periodic sexual swellings in female
Ischial callosities absent
Nipples low on chest
Bicornuate uterus (occasionally present in humans)
Labia majora

CRANIAL FEATURES
Brain lobes: frontal and temporal prominent
Thermoregulatory venous plexuses
Well-developed system of emissary veins
Enlarged nasal bones
Divergent eyes (interior of orbit visible from side)
Styloid process
Large occipital condyles
Primitive premolar
Large, blunt-cusped (bunodont) molars
Thick tooth enamel
Helical chewing

BEHAVIORAL/PHYSIOLOGICAL
Nocturnal activity
Particular about place of defecation
Good swimmer, no fear of water
Extended male copulation time
Female orgasm
Short menstrual cycle
Snuggling
Tears
Alcoholism
Terrestrialism (Non-arboreal)
Able to exploit a wide range of environments and foods

RARE OR ABSENT IN NONHUMAN PRIMATES:
Heart attack
Atherosclerosis
Cancer (melanoma)
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Interesting that the Pig has all those traits, just like us.

Edited by Hugh, 01 December 2013 - 06:19 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:26 AM

In all fairness...

Eugene McCarthy is advancing a theory of his own.  He is promoting what he calls the Stabilization Theory.  He posits (to my understanding) that evolutionary novelty occurs in a more or less spontaneous and stable form.  Not in the nutty crocoduck creationist way, but rather at the genetic level, where phenotypes still have a bit of flexibility, but not so much as to evolve to an entirely new species.  And he does make a genuine effort to explain data and phenomena, as opposed to just complaining about it or pretending it is wrong.

It's...science.  Sure, it's unconventional, sure it may not be correct, but I am not geneticist or biologist, so I cannot say.  I can say that I have looked at his website and primae facie, it doesn't spring the usual red flags I get when reading other "alternative" (read: creationist) theories.  I did raise an eyebrow at his link to peer review, as the first piece posted is less a formal critique and more a positive op ed piece (scientific peer review doesn't involved praising the author for the excellent writing and riveting narrative).  I haven't read his complete argument yet, and I am somewhat impatient to get to what seems to be his crucial point regarding certain axioms he claims have been passed down without proper skeptical inspection.  That said, His writing has caught my interest enough to continue reading it.  If he is a nutter, he is, at this point, to me, at least a fairly persuasive one.  I will reserve judgement on his theory till I have finished reading it.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:31 AM

Here's another article about it:

http://phys.org/news...rid-humans.html


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:38 AM

well, if we're talking articles, there's this one, quoted in the daily mail article as well, i think:

http://scienceblogs....f-homo-sapiens/





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