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Puma Punku: New Dating Project Underway


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#1    zoser

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:40 PM

The principal investigator, David Swenson, received his PhD in 1975 from the University of Wisconsin and is now semi retired in the Phoenix Arizona area. He has been involved in a multiplicity of different projects which require problem-solving and outside the box thinking. This project will be carried out to support the work of Brien Foerster, of Cusco Peru, who has been involved in the study of ancient people and their associated megalithic buildings. Samples of andesite stone from Tiwanaku and Puma Punku that have come from the megaliths will be shipped from Peru. David will photograph, measure and forward the samples to the PRIME laboratory at Purdue University for analysis and dating of the stone based on beryllium-10 production from cosmic rays by way of accelerator mass spectrometry.

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Interesting is that recent excavations (2012) have exposed a wall that comprises red stand stone which is very weathered and also andesite which is in better condition.

An excellent review of the site and it's relics which should throw up some interesting points for discussion.

http://www.youtube.c...WoNaxbb-0#t=162

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:04 PM

I didn't think there was a test that could date stone.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 07 December 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

I didn't think there was a test that could date stone.
There are ways to tell the age of at least some stones but not when they were dug out of the ground and put in place


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:25 PM

Puma Punku is without a doubt the most interesting site in South America. Just amazing.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:30 PM

The project is not underway.

The attempt to collect funds from individuals to pay for this project is underway.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 01:12 PM

Today I have learned that the translation of Tiahuanaco is "sit down, little llama."
So this location must be at least very friendly!

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostHarte, on 07 December 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

The project is not underway.

The attempt to collect funds from individuals to pay for this project is underway.

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Part of the project involves collecting funds first.  My word we are pedantic.

Edited by zoser, 08 December 2013 - 03:19 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:55 PM

View Posttoast, on 08 December 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Today I have learned that the translation of Tiahuanaco is "sit down, little llama."
So this location must be at least very friendly!
Sit down little llama? That is kind of cool.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 09:58 PM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 07 December 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

There are ways to tell the age of at least some stones but not when they were dug out of the ground and put in place

I was reading that the lowest layer of the 3 gravel fills PP was built on was carbon-dated as put into place @ approx. 436-600 AD....BUT I thought the same thing, and still do. (And then I, almost cut my hair... :whistle: )

Not sure if the following method will work either...."dating of the stone based on beryllium-10 production from cosmic rays by way of accelerator mass. spectrometry." :unsure2: The stones could've been exposed to the sun for millenium before being put to use.

I've read Tia meant 'stone in the center' (of the world) and 'island in the center...'

Edited by Willie B Herd, 08 December 2013 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 10:11 PM

View PostWillie B Herd, on 08 December 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

I was reading that the lowest layer of the 3 gravel fills PP was built on was carbon-dated as put into place @ approx. 436-600 AD....BUT I thought the same thing, and still do. (And then I, almost cut my hair... :whistle: )

Not sure if the following method will work either...."dating of the stone based on beryllium-10 production from cosmic rays by way of accelerator mass. spectrometry." :unsure2: The stones could've been exposed to the sun for millenium before being put to use.

I've read Tia meant 'stone in the center' (of the world) and 'island in the center...'
To be carbon dated a stone would either have to either have carbon in it's make up ie carbonate or be covered with soot or ash. I guess it's possible. (Don't do it some of my worst mistakes have been hair cuts)


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 12:31 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 07 December 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

I didn't think there was a test that could date stone.

Radiometric dating (often called radioactive dating) is a technique used to date materials such as rocks, usually based on a comparison between the observed abundance of a naturally occurring radioactive isotope and its decay products, using known decay rates

https://en.wikipedia...iometric_dating

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:55 AM

Radiometric dating tells when the stone formed.

Organic materials under the construction cannot be younger than the construction itself.  It is organics found under the site that have been dated - using radiocarbon methods.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:11 AM

Here is a Puma Punku-documentary. I haven't seen it myself yet. It is from the Ancient Alien.series so I don't know how "far out there" it is on the alien-archaeology theory. But I bet it is interesting anyway, regardless what you think of the ancient alien-theory.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:47 AM

Whomever can do whatever dating studies they want and Puma Punku will STILL not have been constructed by aliens.

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