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Greenhouse gas 7000 x more powerful than CO2


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#1    seeder

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

Newly discovered greenhouse gas '7,000 times more powerful than CO2

Perfluorotributylamine is an unregulated, long-living industrial chemical that breaks all records for potential climate impacts

A new greenhouse gas that is 7,000 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at warming the Earth has been discovered by researchers in Toronto.  The newly discovered gas, perfluorotributylamine (PFTBA), has been in use by the electrical industry since the mid-20th century.

The chemical, that does not occur naturally, breaks all records for potential impacts on the climate, said the researchers at the University of Toronto's department of chemistry.

"We claim that PFTBA has the highest radiative efficiency of any molecule detected in the atmosphere to date," said Angela Hong, one of the co-authors.

The study, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, found PFTBA was 7,100 times more powerful at warming the Earth over a 100-year time span than CO2.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:26 PM

The things we do to this planet its a wonder its not dead.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:38 PM

So we can expect to see strict regulations on this chemical now, right?

...right?

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:47 PM

Instead punishing those companies and people who made it... The production is increasing im sure :)

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 01:42 PM

You can't punish a company for doing something nobody in the world knew was harmful! It is the same as punishing you for farting because 20 years from now they find that certain types of people produce a fart that is 10,000 times more dangerous than cyanide. All they can do is produce findings to the governments of the world who will hopefully clamp down on this by bringing in laws and policies to stop the release of this gas ever occurring. It is after this is brought in that they can then punish a company for doing it in the future, because there is a clear law in place.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:04 PM

View PostSir Smoke aLot, on 11 December 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Instead punishing those companies and people who made it... The production is increasing im sure :)
At the moment, there's not much of this in the air - lucky us.  There are other chemicals related to CFCs that are almost as bad, but are still legal.

ExoPaul:  if a person's/company's activities are known to be harmful at the time they did them, they can be sued in a civil complaint.  The people bringing the suit have to be able to show how they were harmed.
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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:11 PM

This report needs scientific confirmation and some idea of how it actually behaves in the atmosphere as opposed to in a lab.  If the danger holds up, I am sure bans will soon be put in place.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:11 AM

If we would plant more trees, on to any empty field should grow trees. They love co2 , they give us o2

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:17 AM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 13 December 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

If we would plant more trees, on to any empty field should grow trees. They love co2 , they give us o2
Yea; where we had a pasture we put in an orchard -- not that we gain anything from it since people going by steal all the fruit before we have the chance -- but because we thought (this was mostly my wife's initiative but of course I wrote the checks) it would be better for the air (trees as opposed to cows) and just maybe we might harvest here and there a mango or two.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:35 AM

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It belongs to an entire class of chemicals used for industrial applications whose effects on the atmosphere remain unknown.

This is the relevant section of the article, in my opinion.

We have had no proper due diligence in many fields of industry as to what is used in the process of production and how it impacts the environment we depend on to survive. Someone invents a process for producing something we deem useful, and we have only considered a part of the process for environmental impact.

Governments need to act to ensure all our industrial activity is properly assessed, because only then can we make any claims as to what impact we are having on the planet's eco-environment with any degree of certainty.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:43 AM

Something goes wrong and the immediate outcry is the government needs to pass a law making a regulation that will prevent its repeat.  So they pass the law and several dozen more forms are developed for everyone to fill out and one of two things happens.  Either people find ways around the law or people stop developing new things.

To an extent we have to hold people who put dangerous things out there responsible for the consequences, but trying to regulate it a priori does more harm than good.  A certain level of testing is appropriate, but there is no way to test for every negative thing that might possibly happen.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 December 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Something goes wrong and the immediate outcry is the government needs to pass a law making a regulation that will prevent its repeat.  So they pass the law and several dozen more forms are developed for everyone to fill out and one of two things happens.  Either people find ways around the law or people stop developing new things.

To an extent we have to hold people who put dangerous things out there responsible for the consequences, but trying to regulate it a priori does more harm than good.  A certain level of testing is appropriate, but there is no way to test for every negative thing that might possibly happen.

I agree, but that does not mean we should not be more diligent. We are not ignorant, we just choose to be because it is expensive (and time-consuming) to be wise.

We know there is a possibility we could negatively impact our environment to the extent it can no longer support the level of society we currently enjoy. We should take this possibility seriously and not "brush things under the carpet" in the hope they are not detrimental.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:51 PM

Sadly those gases will linger in our atmosphere for vast amount of time and we cannot easily reverse whats already done. The thing is we still have a chance why not change our ways to more environment friendly, its not that easy but we can make it one step at a time.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 04:17 PM

Oh, here we go again! Just when global warming has been exposed for the scam that it is, along come the grant-dependant mob with another scary death-gas that'll cause all life on 'Planet Earth' to curl up and go crispy at the edges!

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:52 PM

The only global warming we have is coming from the hot air emitted by the global warming disciples, including the author of this article.





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