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#31    Ralaman

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 10:51 PM

 Wickian, on 16 December 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I don't think so.  Try again when you can find a group of animals making tools that's only purpose is to make/improve other tools, build shelter out of more than a single raw material(twigs/mud) or create a language complex enough pass along any concept or intent.  Or fire.  Find me an animal that can make fire and cook food.

Octopi have been seen using tools to capture food, same goes for apes and chimpanzees. I guess since they cant make rap music or swindle the public out of billions they are just mindless creatures.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:01 AM

Intelligence is not just about being 'smart' it is also about being not 'smart' ...

Of course much has been made about out surviving and evolving the animals of the past ... but then no other animal engages in habitat destruction ... species annihilation ... indiscriminate killings spawned solely by murderous intent ... how many species can we name just at the top of our heads right now that is due to nothing else but the 'intelligent' human's talent for killing ?

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:27 AM

Now if we can just them thumbs they will rule the world. LOL

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:17 AM

 Lilly, on 14 December 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'm a big advocate for animal intelligence. However, I honestly do not see any other species as being "more intelligent" than humans. Let's face it, no other species can manipulate the environment to insure their survival, not even to mention science, art, music, literature. Like I say, when my dogs can take care of my every need (food, housing, medical) then they can be the boss...until then, I'm the 'smartest'.

Apes have been known to morn and bury there dead. Monkeys have also been known to chuck random **** at invaders in order to ward them. That is a form of using "tools".


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:43 PM

 Leonardo, on 15 December 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

There is a very good argument for humans being amongst the most stupid of all animals.

After all, we have these incredible natural gifts and look at what we choose to do with them.

Yeah we build cities, create beautiful works of art, write literature, philosophy and psychology, do science, create environments that we can survive in,  we have music and dance, we love and hate, build and destroy, have religion, kill one another over it, like we do sports and politics, been to space, and may destroy ourselves in a stupid war because we are very intelligent but emotionally immature and  we still have to struggle to be rational.  We can do this because we have a higher brain and have the ability to be the way we are.  Other animals, as wonderful as they are can't do that.  They are not better than us, they can  only be who they are.  So yes we have done a lot, but at a cross roads, we may make a wrong turn and end up back in the ice age once again, this time perhaps permanently.  There is a price to pay for being as intelligent as we are, a heavy one I believe.

Edited by markdohle, 18 December 2013 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:56 PM

 Azznerak the Black, on 16 December 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Octopi have been seen using tools to capture food, same goes for apes and chimpanzees. I guess since they cant make rap music or swindle the public out of billions they are just mindless creatures.
They use sticks and rocks.  I'll be impressed if they start sharpening the sticks or using the rock for more than the crack open a shell.  They're not mindless, but they are from being more intelligent that humans.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:56 PM

Just because a chimp beats me one time out of three it isn't considered as intelligent ?

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:41 AM

When an animal writes an article with an air of righteousness self-deprecation I'll be impressed.

Jests aside, I do think we oversimplify in terms of an intelligence scale. An experiment I read about a while back is a fascinating example: If you flash the numbers 1-10 in random order within a second in front of a human being, the chances they'll get it right are almost zero.
If you do the same thing with a chimp- they'll get it right almost 100% of the time (presumably for a food reward). Now that's nuts. Consider that numbers probably don't even mean anything to them and are just shapes... certainly worth a chin scratch.

If there's anything that animal intelligence research has shown us over the last decade, it's that there are a range of distinct faculties involved in intelligence, and it can be pretty surprising where individual faculties crop up.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 03:55 AM

Considering man is the only animal that deviated from natures path of a survival of the fittest or natural selection way of life, instead placing the unfit above the fit, severely weakening the human species on a global scale I would say all other animal species are smarter than man.

Edited by Socio, 19 December 2013 - 04:01 AM.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:08 AM

I judge a species overall intelligence mainly on ingenuity.  Some animals can process very specific processes better than us, but their overall thinking is too linear to be considered more intelligent than us.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:42 AM



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Are you smarter than a chimp?

Ayumu is a 7-year-old chimpanzee... Can you beat Ayumu in this memory test?
Inoue and Matsuzawa from Kyoto University used the 'limited-hold memory task' to show that their chimps can out-perform college students. Watch Ayumu, then take the test below to see if your memory is as good as a chimp's!
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Chimpanzees Beat Humans In Memory Tests


Posted: 09/30/2013 1:52 pm EDT  |  Updated: 09/30/2013 1:53 pm EDT

Unless someone has been monkeying around with the research data, chimps are making chumps out of humans when it comes to memory tests.
In an interview published this Sunday in the Guardian, Tetsuro Matsuzawa, a professor at Kyoto University's Primate Research Institute in Inuyama, Japan, explains three decades of research have led him to the firm conclusion that chimpanzees have much better short-term memories than people.


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Chimps are making monkeys out of us


Justin McCurry
The Observer,
Sunday 29 September 2013

Extraordinary research from Japan shows that chimpanzees are way ahead of humans in complex memory tests


We know the chimps and many animals have shown in tests that they have the cerebral capacity ...

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 02:38 PM

create biological weapon that targets all Insect's & Animals on planet, Done. we're superior.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 07:12 PM

"'Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:45 PM

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"'Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

Albert Einstein ...

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:26 PM

 Xynoplas, on 19 December 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

"'Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

One of Einstein's more patronizing statements, made in the general vein of the false modesty we require of our intellectual elite so that everyone can feel warm and fuzzy.
Reality check: Everybody is not a genius.





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