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#1    qxcontinuum

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 01:51 AM

I am just thinking; remembering some ufo sightings back in 70's Including the Roswell one,  they were saying many allegedly ufo's remains were made from unknown metals.
Is there such thing really?
Our earth formed from the same universal matter and gas as all other planets or universal solar systems. Earth has been bombarded by meteorites bringing in all the goodies and the rest of rare metals. I will be inclined to believe that all existent metals and substances in universe can be found on earth.
Two questions arises;
1) have we truly discovered all the existent metals on earth and implicitly universal existent everywhere
2) have we truly combined all of them together experimenting the best combinations so to create strong resistant proprieties.



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 02:12 AM

Well there's "unknown to the speaker" and then there's "genuinely unknown to human science".
I seem to recall someone suggesting that the "unknown metal" found at Roswell was something that was still top secret at the time rather then something genuinely alien.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 03:34 AM

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1) have we truly discovered all the existent metals on earth and implicitly universal existent everywhere
I wouldn't expect to find new metals, but new alloys or new forms of ceramic and plastics I can certainly see. We already have ceramics that outperform metals.

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2) have we truly combined all of them together experimenting the best combinations so to create strong resistant proprieties.

Despite not being an expert or particularly interested in the field, nope. Every year or s there are improvements being made.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:03 AM

 qxcontinuum, on 17 December 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I am just thinking; remembering some ufo sightings back in 70's Including the Roswell one,  they were saying many allegedly ufo's remains were made from unknown metals.
Is there such thing really?
Our earth formed from the same universal matter and gas as all other planets or universal solar systems. Earth has been bombarded by meteorites bringing in all the goodies and the rest of rare metals. I will be inclined to believe that all existent metals and substances in universe can be found on earth.
Two questions arises;
1) have we truly discovered all the existent metals on earth and implicitly universal existent everywhere
2) have we truly combined all of them together experimenting the best combinations so to create strong resistant proprieties.


Despite all the Alien Metal claims out there, one test will tell you immediately if a metal is not from this world - Isotope ratios. It's how we can tell if a meteorite is really a meteorite.

READ - What Are Isotopes, and Why Should We Care?


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:54 AM

Yeah, I remember back in the seventies and eighties everyone was talking about finding some unknown and exotic material to prove it was extraterrestrial. When I pointed out that the periodic table of elements wasn't limited to earth to this one fellow it was like telling a child there was no Santa.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:56 AM

 psyche101, on 17 December 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:




Despite all the Alien Metal claims out there, one test will tell you immediately if a metal is not from this world - Isotope ratios. It's how we can tell if a meteorite is really a meteorite.

READ - What Are Isotopes, and Why Should We Care?


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I get what you're saying but doesn't the whole isotropic thing change once materials are refined?


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:20 PM

All sorts of new, exotic materials, metallic and otherwise are conceivable.  Given a sufficiently advanced technology, these could be built up on the the molecular or even the atomic level. It could then be possible to specify the inclusion and location of various kinds of molecules or atoms within a material, allowing heretofore unexpected properties.
Conventional refining methods do not change the isotopic ratios of elements.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:04 PM

 qxcontinuum, on 17 December 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I am just thinking; remembering some ufo sightings back in 70's Including the Roswell one,  they were saying many allegedly ufo's remains were made from unknown metals.
Is there such thing really?
Our earth formed from the same universal matter and gas as all other planets or universal solar systems. Earth has been bombarded by meteorites bringing in all the goodies and the rest of rare metals. I will be inclined to believe that all existent metals and substances in universe can be found on earth.
Two questions arises;
1) have we truly discovered all the existent metals on earth and implicitly universal existent everywhere
2) have we truly combined all of them together experimenting the best combinations so to create strong resistant proprieties.

The most impressive material I have seen is Krell metal.

Here is a demonstration.  The results of the test were written up in a peer reviewed journal.  I'll find the link for that later:



Edited by zoser, 17 December 2013 - 06:06 PM.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:04 PM

 qxcontinuum, on 17 December 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I am just thinking; remembering some ufo sightings back in 70's Including the Roswell one,  they were saying many allegedly ufo's remains were made from unknown metals.
Is there such thing really?
Our earth formed from the same universal matter and gas as all other planets or universal solar systems. Earth has been bombarded by meteorites bringing in all the goodies and the rest of rare metals. I will be inclined to believe that all existent metals and substances in universe can be found on earth.
Two questions arises;
1) have we truly discovered all the existent metals on earth and implicitly universal existent everywhere
2) have we truly combined all of them together experimenting the best combinations so to create strong resistant proprieties.


Roswell featured metalized plastic film which at the time was a very new material and not known outside of certain segments of the defense industry.  It was used to create the lightweight RADAR targets carried in the balloon trains used in Project Mogul. It resembled aluminum foil but retained its shape when bent.  That would have been totally unexpected by a casual observer at the time.  

There are only so many possible metals as elements so it is not likely there are really any "unknown" metals.  There may be alloys we have not made and manufacturing processes we have not imagined but the underlying atoms are the same here, Andromeda, or anywhere in the Universe.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:05 PM

 zoser, on 17 December 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

The most impressive material I have seen is Krell metal.

The results of the test were written up in a peer reviewed journal.

I'll find the link for that later:


Found it for you.  http://environmental...eriodic/Al.html

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:15 PM

If it had been anyone else posting that Krell metal stuff I would have known it was a joke,... but with this clown, based on his previous record, you never know.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

 sinewave, on 17 December 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Roswell featured metalized plastic film which at the time was a very new material and not known outside of certain segments of the defense industry.  It was used to create the lightweight RADAR targets carried in the balloon trains used in Project Mogul. It resembled aluminum foil but retained its shape when bent.  That would have been totally unexpected by a casual observer at the time.  

There are only so many possible metals as elements so it is not likely there are really any "unknown" metals.  There may be alloys we have not made and manufacturing processes we have not imagined but the underlying atoms are the same here, Andromeda, or anywhere in the Universe.
If 'metalized plastic film' refers to 'Mylar', a common trade name for BoPET (biaxially oriented polyethylene terephthalate), this was not developed until the mid-1950's. It could not have been involved in the Roswell incident in 1947. Besides this, 'Mylar' can be easily cut and burned, while it was reported that the Roswell material could not be.
http://en.wikipedia...../BoPET#History

Edited by bison, 17 December 2013 - 08:38 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:56 PM

 bison, on 17 December 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

Besides this, 'Mylar' can be easily cut and burned, while it was reported that the Roswell material could not be.

Reported by whom?

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:06 PM

as I keep asking...how can a metal that cant be cut or torn.... end up in pieces in the first place?  memory metal?

Did it forget?

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 09:18 PM

 seeder, on 17 December 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

as I keep asking...how can a metal that cant be cut or torn.... end up in pieces in the first place?  memory metal?

Did it forget?

Depends what how big the pieces were and what they were attached to.  Doesn't mean that the original pieces were torn; they just became detached on impact.

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