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What is being Really Intelligent?

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#1    behavioralist

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:45 PM

INTELLIGENCE as it is traditionally measured is in direct conflict with perception, because it is founded in extraneous interests called authority. If we learn because someone wants to vicariously exploit that learning (usually something he couldn’t learn himself; if he could the pecking order would keep him far down below the exploiters, because it is the family-trait of density of the mind that makes a jack-hammer of it), then we are apathetic about what we learn and interested only in the remuneration the exploiter is prepared to part with.

We do the one thing to get some other thing, and thereby we have precluded that first thing being inspired. Authority obviates the mind’s affinities, which are gauged and prioritized by emotion, to where we learn what we love, do what we love.

Consider two alternative rewards, survival and freedom. Survival can be denied us, and then freedom eventually ceases to surface as a goal.(Stockholm syndrome, observer-effect. mirroring the contempt that makes one a hostage in the view of another.)  But survival is the pleasure of getting what you must have in order to continue being exploited, the pleasure of having resigned to living under the heel of another’s contempt; while freedom is the right to have absolute delight in living.

How do they compare, delight in pleasure and delight in living? The effects of LSD-like compounds almost mimic the natural delight in living, except that the perception-effect does not resurrect the lost social awareness. If we gave one to a cow it would also “tryp” (tryptamines) but the wild creatures would still find it a brute. The condition “docile” is an inescapable degree of dementia manifesting the time spent in captivity, and it means that evolution has become meaningless, basically non-existent or, as the science has it, “subconscious”.

Try the mental experiment in freedom. In your imagination, don’t go to school or to your job anymore. Don’t keep your stipend-related appointments. What happens after a few days or weeks of giddy freedom? You might well die; and there are worse things than dying! Very few of us live where we can wander off and live in a cave with only a fish-hook and a loincloth to our name.

Eventually progress will have people on Mars and not just in the snow, and it is not nature, either here or on Mars, that is the hostage-taker. It is always someone securely beyond your right to scrutinize, someone who will always read and verify your resume and school-record, but you will never demand to see his/hers.

If you have to earn a license or sheepskin you will never make any “real” money with it! And money is never the “more, more” Madonna once sang about (was it Dick Tracy?); it needs to be augmented with cocaine. Dense heads think they are ahead of the common lot when they have squeezed it dry, but their plans lead to their characteristic consequences, like Cinderella finding herself with separate bedrooms because royalty is not nice in private. No one ever is who has been called “Payday” instead of “Person” all his life..

The emotion of this intelligence we possess on behalf of the top predators cannot peak above pleasure, and education/programming and information/disinformation garner us the habit of never expecting to learn things that elevate us emotionally and permanently. Man is permanently fallen from the grace of freedom like those horses of old that pulled cabs until they “ran out of gas”.

What would there be that could elevate the emotions permanently? Consider senility and dementia, the place everyone’s mind is continuously plunging toward. Isn’t the inference that it is impossible to ask that question?

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Credulousness is when the process of being made more useful to duplicitous exploiters leaves us presuming to have become superior. Something is growing that is killing the mind; thereby orphaning the children in one's very care.
Learning, if not credulous, is always growing. Teaching is always degenerating. Glibness is a vice in either case, the former because one will wish one had said more, and the latter because one will admire one's rubbish unto death.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:25 PM

Non-existent and subconscious are veery different, of course depending whether you have some exact and very highly-picked meaning for the word subconscious. But in general terms, subconscious is anything but a synonym for non-existent. It's a place from where a lot of influence -> existence comes, also a place not so easily under our control.

I doubt there's any one thing that can elevate emotions permanently, unless you consider the change between boring and dangerous a "one thing".

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:29 PM

behavioralist,

What is it you are actually arguing?

Are you arguing a case for personal expression being the only "intelligence", or are you simply arguing against authority?

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:33 PM

When you know better you do better.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:17 PM

i'm obviously not intelligent enough to understand what you're getting at OP.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:35 PM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

i'm obviously not intelligent enough to understand what you're getting at OP.

I also don´t get it. But it´s an indicator for intelligence when the brain separtes automatically the important from the unimportant to do
not take the unimportant into unneeded evaluation because it´s unimportant.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:46 PM

View Posttoast, on 18 December 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

I also don´t get it. But it´s an indicator for intelligence when the brain separtes automatically the important from the unimportant to do
not take the unimportant into unneeded evaluation because it´s unimportant.
i'm afraid to admit that I did understand that lol


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:02 PM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

i'm afraid to admit that I did understand that lol

:tu:

Edited by toast, 18 December 2013 - 09:04 PM.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:17 PM

loosely, I understand intellect to be the ability to absorb information and intelligence to be the ability to do something with it.
or some such thing.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

loosely, I understand intellect to be the ability to absorb information and intelligence to be the ability to do something with it.
or some such thing.

Ya, something north of that.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:22 PM

View Posttoast, on 18 December 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Ya, something north of that.
I live in the west. is that a problem??


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:26 PM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

I live in the west. is that a problem??

If you are watched from the south, no.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

loosely, I understand intellect to be the ability to absorb information and intelligence to be the ability to do something with it.
or some such thing.

The problem with people is that they provide the intellect with something that keeps intelligence off their spoor.

Edited by behavioralist, 18 December 2013 - 09:31 PM.

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Credulousness is when the process of being made more useful to duplicitous exploiters leaves us presuming to have become superior. Something is growing that is killing the mind; thereby orphaning the children in one's very care.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:06 PM

View Postbehavioralist, on 18 December 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

The problem with people is that they provide the intellect with something that keeps intelligence off their spoor.
again, I do not understand your point.
why not try to just speak plain English. it's ok and it doesn't make you less intelligent I promise


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:02 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 17 December 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Non-existent and subconscious are veery different, of course depending whether you have some exact and very highly-picked meaning for the word subconscious. But in general terms, subconscious is anything but a synonym for non-existent. It's a place from where a lot of influence -> existence comes, also a place not so easily under our control.

I doubt there's any one thing that can elevate emotions permanently, unless you consider the change between boring and dangerous a "one thing".

Please consider the proverb "God is in the details". Clearly God is a whole new emotion, except that one presumably had it before the hell of the cradle.

As I intimated to AE a while ago, people design to make it seem simple to know them and to know the present around us. The simplistic version goes into memory, and seduces us away from the infinitely more complex present; which is that the perception becomes subconscious as the conscious becomes "all-knowing" in its own estimate.

It's unfriendly not to let people convince you to adopt their pretended self (in order to dissimulate their thinking self) as who they are, which is a very simple thing since it's hard to pretend to be profoundly complex.

And when you are little, a child, it is easy to intimidate you if you are not at least acting as if you are convinced. The big voice is already a bit overwhelming and when it gets a growl in it you shrink. So while you are little you are being coached in the habit of going along for your own good.

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Credulousness is when the process of being made more useful to duplicitous exploiters leaves us presuming to have become superior. Something is growing that is killing the mind; thereby orphaning the children in one's very care.
Learning, if not credulous, is always growing. Teaching is always degenerating. Glibness is a vice in either case, the former because one will wish one had said more, and the latter because one will admire one's rubbish unto death.





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