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What is being Really Intelligent?

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#16    JGirl

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 02:03 AM

View Postbehavioralist, on 18 December 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

...since it's hard to pretend to be profoundly complex.
you seem to have no trouble with it. your comments make little sense to me and border on useless verbosity.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 02:50 AM

I would explain this all to you, but you probably wouldn't understand it. Bwa-ha-ha!


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:00 AM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

again, I do not understand your point.
why not try to just speak plain English. it's ok and it doesn't make you less intelligent I promise

He's not saying just one thing, but one of the things he's saying us intelligent content is being given away too easily, in a stupidised form. It's true in a way, does make you think less, but it's just the easiness to decrypt the message I think so it seems to be about the diffculty of decrypting & interpreting it instead of thinking the actual thing. Because one takes away from another there.

And he's saying it's authority which originates from our own needs, that dictates that intelligence must be given in this stupidized, simple form. Basically saying we say things in plain language in order to get by in this pretentous make-believe world. We do. Efficiency in communication is an asset in survival situations and life's been about survival in the past. You lose the survival battle, and thinking becomes meaningless because you're either dead or a slave. We're just getting out of that phase, but it's sensible to be able to say things in plain language in case if you or your progenies ever needed to do the survival battle once again. Think about war, there you lose (your life and those of others) if you go using walls of texts about simple things. We'll always be in a state of war, or in the brink of it, one step away, whether it's a personal war for survival or a real real war. It's real and about your life in both cases tho. We do it to make there be a foundation for thinking, to make thinking meaningful.

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Answers are found from a wide deep perspective, from opened mind's eyes.
From where good and bad stay silent and you hear the real cause and effect, and big picture.
Giving up is wasting your time, but also necessary to find the true cause you didn't find yet.
Staying in the path is necessary only when there's trueness in that path.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:34 PM

Mikko-kun has a point. You can't wear the deeper meanings as they are originally served up, but you can tailor them into respectable apparel. You can adorn and embelish your role, but you don't need to invest your whole mind in that simple agenda. Nothing is so annoying to the layman as having to listen to a lesson meant for the post-doc audience.

It is so much easier to choose an author who makes this respectable apperal to begin with, like Gibran and Dalai Lama. "To love is the only intelligent choice!", for example. The guy next to you on the commuter train will grasp that immediately and will not feel challenged by it, not feel you are taking him back to school for some learning higher than he signed up for.

But how can it be specialization to understand oneself? In behavioral and cognitive science the audience is man, and the professional is the least invested because he is just seeking his payday; it's his rut! If one ignores the reality of how one became oneself and how one degenerates into overt dementia one is either an utter fool or just damaged beyond all hope.

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Credulousness is when the process of being made more useful to duplicitous exploiters leaves us presuming to have become superior. Something is growing that is killing the mind; thereby orphaning the children in one's very care.
Learning, if not credulous, is always growing. Teaching is always degenerating. Glibness is a vice in either case, the former because one will wish one had said more, and the latter because one will admire one's rubbish unto death.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

View Postbehavioralist, on 21 December 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Mikko-kun has a point. You can't wear the deeper meanings as they are originally served up, but you can tailor them into respectable apparel. You can adorn and embelish your role, but you don't need to invest your whole mind in that simple agenda. Nothing is so annoying to the layman as having to listen to a lesson meant for the post-doc audience.

It is so much easier to choose an author who makes this respectable apperal to begin with, like Gibran and Dalai Lama. "To love is the only intelligent choice!", for example. The guy next to you on the commuter train will grasp that immediately and will not feel challenged by it, not feel you are taking him back to school for some learning higher than he signed up for.

But how can it be specialization to understand oneself? In behavioral and cognitive science the audience is man, and the professional is the least invested because he is just seeking his payday; it's his rut! If one ignores the reality of how one became oneself and how one degenerates into overt dementia one is either an utter fool or just damaged beyond all hope.
I think you are channeling Jung... Or trying very hard successfully to write like him. ;) but the prose of old writing is a bit confusing to modern readers.

Edited by White Crane Feather, 21 December 2013 - 04:24 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:30 PM

View Postbehavioralist, on 17 December 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

the pleasure of having resigned to living under the heel of another’s contempt; while freedom is the right to have absolute delight in living.


Divorced father trying to brush off the idea that you once had children? Get up and shake it off as that was years ago and you were never really a father. Pay your dues, as the cave you speak of for the modern dad has non-spirited bars.

If you are careful you can chew on the grass so long as you keep your mouth shut and give them the milk. It is the act of chewing that feels like freedom.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 08:46 AM

View PostJGirl, on 18 December 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

loosely, I understand intellect to be the ability to absorb information and intelligence to be the ability to do something with it.
or some such thing.

I think that is a really clear and correct definition. Nicely put.

You frequently have these claimed "highly gifted" people that come along and complain that the world doesnt understand them and they can't fit in anywhere. Can't get a job, can't get the right degree etc etc. And all this is because they say they are so smart they are on another level.
While i find that these just aren't intelligent people, or as JGirl puts it, don't have the intellect to direct their intelligence. Being intelligent would mean they can adjust to their surroundings (maybe a bit like evolution). They often fail at this and somehow put themselves on this pedestal, removing themselves even further from the world around them that they claim doesn't understand them. While it's them that don't undestand the world.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:04 AM

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From Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, 1602:


Malvalio:
In my stars I am above thee; but be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em.



Apply and replace 'greatness' with 'intelligence' ~ 'intelligence' is in no way similar or the same as 'intelligent' ... :)

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:27 AM

Being smart is intellect; being wise is knowing when and when not to reveal it.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:43 AM

View Postbehavioralist, on 18 December 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

As I intimated to AE a while ago, people design to make it seem simple to know them and to know the present around us. The simplistic version goes into memory, and seduces us away from the infinitely more complex present; which is that the perception becomes subconscious as the conscious becomes "all-knowing" in its own estimate.

Life and living is, at it's core, profoundly simple.

It is the presumption of creating complexity through over-analysis that generates the illusion that life is complex.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 11:59 AM

OP, just step away from the Thesaurus..

or..

..perambulate in a vector directly opposed to that which you might imagine connects you to the publication containing alphabetically or functionally ordered synonyms.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:35 PM

If you can't say it simply - you really aren't saying anything.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 01:58 PM

I've always thought that one should use the word that best and most exactly expresses the idea you want to convey, and if that has to be a two-bit word, then so be it.  Thing is, it almost never is.


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 04:26 PM

View PostChrLzs, on 07 January 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

OP, just step away from the Thesaurus..

or..

..perambulate in a vector directly opposed to that which you might imagine connects you to the publication containing alphabetically or functionally ordered synonyms.
amen

View PostlibstaK, on 07 January 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

If you can't say it simply - you really aren't saying anything.
totally agree


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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:58 PM

Intelligence is to be fully alive to the difference between having fallen into the plans of diabolical elders and in roles they deprecate, and consummating unmolested prospects.

The bliss of ignorance, for example, is simply that your role means you don't have to rise to any challenge. Why can't you love a challenge? Because your curiosity is loyally bound to a conditioned rut. It can go wherever commonplace vernacular takes it.

"The working class hero...  ---still f______ peasants to me!"

Refute the grip corruption has on your development and your lot is no less than you deserve. Bliss!

As for language, why do they call it "mandatory schooling"? Because you're just effing peasants to them too, except in their case it's because you are not vile enough to win ugly. There is more language, for saying more things more concisely, while most do tend to feather out the impression they are hoping to make with it, because corruption is the social paradigm and actual Learning and research are like carrying your Brothers in the Marathon.

Edited by behavioralist, 07 January 2014 - 11:00 PM.

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Credulousness is when the process of being made more useful to duplicitous exploiters leaves us presuming to have become superior. Something is growing that is killing the mind; thereby orphaning the children in one's very care.
Learning, if not credulous, is always growing. Teaching is always degenerating. Glibness is a vice in either case, the former because one will wish one had said more, and the latter because one will admire one's rubbish unto death.





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