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#1    keithisco

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:33 PM

No links, nothing else to follow, just a question---

Where is the evidence that Israel ACTUALLY has nuclear weapons? OK, it is assumed (Internationally) that Israel may have up to 80 Nuclear warheads, but no-one is actually offering any evidence of this - certainly NOT Israel.

So are all the assumptions simply reinforced to dupe the rest of the Middle East (Israel is not european, it is ME) to believe that Israel is Untouchable? To make the rest of the ME believe that Israel has capabilities beyond its ability to deliver?

It is also assumed, on this forum, that Israel DOES have a Nuclear capability, but what if it doesn´t, how does this change the politics in the M.E??


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:39 PM

They might be on Warships or ultra secret silos somewhere South, i dunno you wouldnt tell people where they are.
Israel could of used Nuclear Weapons during the Iraq war


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:48 PM

If not then Israel owes THIS guy, big time ;)  
http://en.wikipedia....ordechai_Vanunu

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:53 PM

View Postand then, on 17 December 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

If not then Israel owes THIS guy, big time ;)  
http://en.wikipedia....ordechai_Vanunu

Still does not constitute unequivocal evidence that Israel has any such weapons. It could all just be a Red Herring to make the rest of the world "believe" that Israel has a nuclear capabilty. I remain to be convinced otherwise


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 05:58 PM

http://articles.wash...nuclear-program

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:03 PM

Still no proof


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 06:11 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 17 December 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Still no proof
It's an interesting question.  It seems that only an official, verifiable test of a nuke would satisfy your requirements.  Somehow I doubt Israel will oblige.  Bottom line is that the world believes - and that's good enough.  It would be one hell of a gamble to prove the issue.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

Israel's nuclear capability is? good question. but what of its delivery system, is it by Land Air or Sea? i've never really thought about it until this post by Keith. maybe their nuclear system is the USA. a bit like Japan were the US guarantees defence measures. so Japan doesn't go all crazy again.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:45 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 17 December 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Israel's nuclear capability is? good question. but what of its delivery system, is it by Land Air or Sea? i've never really thought about it until this post by Keith. maybe their nuclear system is the USA. a bit like Japan were the US guarantees defence measures. so Japan doesn't go all crazy again.
The general consensus (except for K and Yam as I recall :)   Is that the IDF have between 80 and 400 warheads deliverable by artillery tube, aircraft, ballistic missile and submarine launched cruise missiles.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:55 PM

Maybe they have nothing... just a bluff, by not joining the non - proliferation treaty. All nuclear nations need to test their capabilities and their delivery systems to ensure their functionality. When did Israel last test a nuke, underground or elsewhere? Never, is the resounding answer.

I am curious, thats all... I just cant help feeling that we are all being sucked into the "Big Lie". I am leaning towards Steve´s idea, that the Nuclear Guarantee is actually based in the USA.

@and then.... perhaps "General Consensus" is what Israel is depending on, nothing more than a "Paper Tiger":

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:56 PM

View Postand then, on 17 December 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

The general consensus (except for K and Yam as I recall :)   Is that the IDF have between 80 and 400 warheads deliverable by artillery tube, aircraft, ballistic missile and submarine launched cruise missiles.

The UK's delivery system is the American Trident D5 missile. but the warhead is British. i wonder if Israel's delivery system is American based or 'home made' - off to google.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 07:58 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 17 December 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Israel's nuclear capability is? good question. but what of its delivery system, is it by Land Air or Sea? i've never really thought about it until this post by Keith. maybe their nuclear system is the USA. a bit like Japan were the US guarantees defence measures. so Japan doesn't go all crazy again.

They have carrier systems for nukes like the dolphin class submarines those can carry and launch cruise missiles. Bomb and missile carry systems are also in service there. And, Israels main military equipment providers are the US, Germany and France.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:00 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 17 December 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

Maybe they have nothing... just a bluff, by not joining the non - proliferation treaty. All nuclear nations need to test their capabilities and their delivery systems to ensure their functionality. When did Israel last test a nuke, underground or elsewhere? Never, is the resounding answer.

I am curious, thats all... I just cant help feeling that we are all being sucked into the "Big Lie". I am leaning towards Steve´s idea, that the Nuclear Guarantee is actually based in the USA.

@and then.... perhaps "General Consensus" is what Israel is depending on, nothing more than a "Paper Tiger":
Perhaps.  No way to really know unless someone decides to tempt fate.  Considering the rather phenomenal success the IDF have strung together, I think it would be a sketchy bet.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:09 PM

I think Israel does have Nuclear strike capability - maybe Israel doesn't officially confirm because doing so would open a bigger can of worms. which would be detrimental to its situation in the middle east. having to then comply with UN resolutions, IAEA treaties etc... by not officially confirming having nuclear weapons they avoid all this.

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:23 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 17 December 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

All nuclear nations need to test their capabilities and their delivery systems to ensure their functionality. When did Israel last test
a nuke, underground or elsewhere? Never, is the resounding answer."Paper Tiger":

Thats incorrect. Even without tests performed Israel is able, and I´m sure about, to have nukes. The technologie is know by Isarels partners like the US+France and the Negev Nuclear Research Center facility is able to produce Plutonium.In addition, existing and so still tested delivery systems like cruise missile, bombs and short/midrange missile can be equiped with nuclear warheads plug&play. So nothing with "paper tiger" here.

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