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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

The first real attempt to see chimps legally recognized as persons may have failed, but it's an historic case that undoubtedly represents the first of many to come. It'll only be a matter of time before chimps and other animals are no longer seen as mere property, but rather as subjects worthy of legal protections. Here's what we can expect once that happens.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:00 PM

From the article;

"And if we should find that these animals possess the requisite faculties for legal personhood — traits like autonomy, the sense of self, awareness of others, mental time travel, and complex problem solving — than we will have no choice but to recognize them as legal persons as well."

While special legal status may help these favoured animals, our moral attitude towards non-human animals should not be based on higher levels of cognition, or in the words of Jeremy Bentham;

"The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?"


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:07 PM

I'm all for animal rights and protection, but I still think "person" means human. People are human. Chimps are chimps, chickens are chickens, whales are whales, etc. They can be self-aware, highly intelligent. emotional etc. but they're still not humans.

Why mess with word definitions. Just focus on protecting them.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:32 PM

i agree with purplos
this is just going too far.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:22 PM

View PostPurplos, on 18 December 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Why mess with word definitions. Just focus on protecting them.

Because there are only two categories of "things" in law; people and property. As property, you can do pretty much what you want with them. This is why animal cruelty is considered a misdemeanor in many states, akin to littering.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:31 PM

Even if some animals acquire 'person' status, that will not grant rights equivalent to, or even approaching, those enjoyed by human beings. Corporations are 'persons' according to law, but do not have human rights.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:45 PM

I think it might be better to add a third state of being, between Persons and property. I do agree that we should be treating animals better, I mean, a happy cow makes a better burger (citation needed). I just wonder why they dance around stating that living beings should have rights and instead on making everything people. Soylent Chimps.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:08 PM

So make better laws against animal cruelty.

There are crimes against property that are felonies, and even some animal cruelty cases in some states are felonies. For example, blowing up someone's house is a felony. that doesn't mean the house is a person.

There is no reason to call a non-human animal a person.

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