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#1    MissMelsWell

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 03:19 PM

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Eastside Catholic High School Parents, Alumni and Students fight to reinstate gay vice principal after he legally married his partner over the summer.

Alumni, students and parents from a Seattle Catholic school are fighting to have a revered vice principal reinstated, after school officials discovered his marriage to another man.

Supporters of Mark Zmuda vowed to pull funds from Eastside Catholic High School, after the school sent out a letter announcing he had resigned and calling his marriage a violation of his contract, which requires a strict adherence to a Catholic code.

"Shame on you!" wrote a passionate alumnus on the Eastside Catholic High School Alumni Facebook page in response to the school's letter.

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This school is really just up the street from my home. It's an excellent private Catholic school, and I have many friends who went to school there and many friends whose children are enrolled there as well. I know at least one of my friends, who isn't pulling his kids out (they're 11th and 12th grades) but he's already sent the Archdiocese a letter informing then that while he'll keep his kids in school, there will be no more donations above and beyond tuition... I'm hearing this from a LOT of other parents too.

Seattle has a very conservative Archbishop, who most of the Catholics in the area aren't fond of. It should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

It's pretty interesting in the comments how many people are shouting that if they don't like it, they should pull their kids out and send them to an inferior public school... the funny part they don't know? Newport High School is right down the street from ECCatholic... Newport is generally ranked in the top of FIVE of ALL high schools in the nation (and several years they've been No 1)... ECCatholic doesn't even make the top 1000. haha.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:36 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 23 December 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

This school is really just up the street from my home. It's an excellent private Catholic school, and I have many friends who went to school there and many friends whose children are enrolled there as well. I know at least one of my friends, who isn't pulling his kids out (they're 11th and 12th grades) but he's already sent the Archdiocese a letter informing then that while he'll keep his kids in school, there will be no more donations above and beyond tuition... I'm hearing this from a LOT of other parents too.

Seattle has a very conservative Archbishop, who most of the Catholics in the area aren't fond of. It should be very interesting to see how this plays out.

It's pretty interesting in the comments how many people are shouting that if they don't like it, they should pull their kids out and send them to an inferior public school... the funny part they don't know? Newport High School is right down the street from ECCatholic... Newport is generally ranked in the top of FIVE of ALL high schools in the nation (and several years they've been No 1)... ECCatholic doesn't even make the top 1000. haha.


I often hear that private Catholic school is the best that education has to offer. Unless it is Jesuit, I wouldn't be too quick to buy into it.




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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:17 PM

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Unless it is Jesuit, I wouldn't be too quick to buy into it.
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I am a New Englander, and think of Jebbie places like Boston College High School. OK, it's not Boston Latin :), but it is a very good high school by all acoounts.

I do think that affronts to reason like what MMW posted in the OP are part of the non-monetary price of religious education generally.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:28 PM

An Oklahoma rep wants those kids who walked oout to be dismissed:

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The students who have walked out should be dismissed from the school. If that means temporarily closing the school, or maybe even lowering the tuition a bit so that a less entitled group of young people can study there, so be it.
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Apparently, the act of standing up for something you find is wrong is an act of entitlement.
I found the Catholic private schools I went to had good education, part of the reason I lost my education. The Evangelical school I attended as a kid, which does not have a good curriculum, did a much better job keeping me religious.

Edited by ShadowSot, 23 December 2013 - 09:29 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:44 PM

View PostSherapy, on 23 December 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

I often hear that private Catholic school is the best that education has to offer. Unless it is Jesuit, I wouldn't be too quick to buy into it.

My sister got one of her undergrad degrees from a Jesuit university ... excellent school. They catered to a lot of nursing students, other life sciences disciplines, business, and of course theology (they had a seminary on campus). It was a very small school, so they chose their offered degree courses carefully, and did them all well. They also excelled in athletics.

Eastside Catholic mentioned in the article is not a Jesuit school to the best of my knowledge. There are basically 4 very large catholic high schools in the Seattle metro area... they're all pretty good schools. I don't know that they're worth their tuition costs, but still very good schools.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:50 PM

View Posteight bits, on 23 December 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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I am a New Englander, and think of Jebbie places like Boston College High School. OK, it's not Boston Latin :), but it is a very good high school by all acoounts.

I do think that affronts to reason like what MMW posted in the OP are part of the non-monetary price of religious education generally.



Hello 8ty, I am pleased to see you posting; I miss you around here. I want to wish you and yours a Happy Holiday and awesome New Year. The personal educational journey I embarked on with my son (home school--online route) is living breathing proof that MMW has a great point. IMO a great education is more about effort(on the kids part) and resources(in the way of friends /slash mentors.) I do not begrudge those that want to invest their money, and I agree it is certainly a worthy cause but it doesn't have to be expensive or Catholic to be great.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:55 PM

View Posteight bits, on 23 December 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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I am a New Englander, and think of Jebbie places like Boston College High School. OK, it's not Boston Latin :), but it is a very good high school by all acoounts.

I do think that affronts to reason like what MMW posted in the OP are part of the non-monetary price of religious education generally.
What do you mean by affronts to reason?


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 23 December 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

My sister got one of her undergrad degrees from a Jesuit university ... excellent school. They catered to a lot of nursing students, other life sciences disciplines, business, and of course theology (they had a seminary on campus). It was a very small school, so they chose their offered degree courses carefully, and did them all well. They also excelled in athletics.

Eastside Catholic mentioned in the article is not a Jesuit school to the best of my knowledge. There are basically 4 very large catholic high schools in the Seattle metro area... they're all pretty good schools. I don't know that they're worth their tuition costs, but still very good schools.

The Jesuit ones are run by the order as opposed to the Diocese. We have one here in California that I know of. I agree with you some of the best High Schools we have here are lowly public schools. I won't say we are overrun with them but they do exist.




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Posted 23 December 2013 - 10:59 PM

I think the real injustice is that the Archdiocese fired a very well liked and respected VP who from all information did his job VERY well. They had no problem keeping him on staff knowing full well he was gay and in a same sex relationship. They fired him when they found out he'd married. And same sex marriage is very legal in Washington State.

A couple of friends of mine are attorney's and are actually quite interested to see if this goes to court at any point. ECC didn't have a problem employing an opening gay man, apparently that didn't violate their moral code, but getting married did? That makes NO sense and I think it actually sends a very poor message to the students. Apparently most of the parents, students, staff and alumni thought so too.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:05 PM

View PostOverSword, on 23 December 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

What do you mean by affronts to reason?

8ty just means that it is a common over generalization here in America that if it's Catholic and a school it is better. No need to ask questions or inquire any further.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:08 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 23 December 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

I think the real injustice is that the Archdiocese fired a very well liked and respected VP who from all information did his job VERY well. They had no problem keeping him on staff knowing full well he was gay and in a same sex relationship. They fired him when they found out he'd married. And same sex marriage is very legal in Washington State.

A couple of friends of mine are attorney's and are actually quite interested to see if this goes to court at any point. ECC didn't have a problem employing an opening gay man, apparently that didn't violate their moral code, but getting married did? That makes NO sense and I think it actually sends a very poor message to the students. Apparently most of the parents, students, staff and alumni thought so too.

I agree it is a great injustice, I think we had a similar issue here in one of our Catholic schools. Good curriculum or not, to posit for discrimination would be a deal breaker for me. Great thread!

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:34 PM

It was funny, reading the blog entry by the Oklahoma state rep. I just happened to be reading USA Today this morning, and they had a blurb on Pope Francis. This recent quote from Francis came up:

If someone is gay, and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?

Looks to me as if the students who walked out in support of the administrator expected their church and school to follow the top boss' word. I think the Oklahoma blogger should seriously reconsider her recommendations about the students - unless, of course, she imagines that she's more Catholic than the Pope.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:44 PM

View Posteight bits, on 24 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

It was funny, reading the blog entry by the Oklahoma state rep. I just happened to be reading USA Today this morning, and they had a blurb on Pope Francis. This recent quote from Francis came up:

If someone is gay, and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?

Looks to me as if the students who walked out in support of the administrator expected their church and school to follow the top boss' word. I think the Oklahoma blogger should seriously reconsider her recommendations about the students - unless, of course, she imagines that she's more Catholic than the Pope.
It should be clear that the Pope and the Catholic church's stance on homosexuality is that you can be a homosexual, so long as you don't do anything gay.
By marrying another man, he has done something gay.
They still see homosexuality as immoral and a sin.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 25 December 2013 - 06:57 AM

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It should be clear that the Pope and the Catholic church's stance on homosexuality is that you can be a homosexual, so long as you don't do anything gay.
By marrying another man, he has done something gay.
They still see homosexuality as immoral and a sin.

But the archdiocese has always known this VP was gay, and lived with his partner. The whole student body knew it, the parents knew it, the staff knew it and so did the archbishop. It was only when he quietly got married (which is legal in Wa. State) that they had a full blown cow. The message they're sending to everyone now is that you can be gay, but don't make it legal or committed lifetime partnership. I'm pretty sure that's a bad message to send for more than one reason.

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 07:08 AM

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But the archdiocese has always known this VP was gay, and lived with his partner. The whole student body knew it, the parents knew it, the staff knew it and so did the archbishop. It was only when he quietly got married (which is legal in Wa. State) that they had a full blown cow. The message they're sending to everyone now is that you can be gay, but don't make it legal or committed lifetime partnership. I'm pretty sure that's a bad message to send for more than one reason.
It seems that some people have gotten more comfortable with homosexuality, but not them getting married. And them getting married is very much against Catholic teachings.
  I'm sort of guessing here, but they have a very specific definition of marriage that doesn't apply to gays and that might be where they feel the line was crossed.
As far as the church itself is concerned, him living with his partner was bad enough. So this school was less Catholic than the church, really.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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